are women losing their sense of feminity?

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Originally Posted by Idril

Another good question is why are men so often threatened by female friendships? Are they scared their influence with their significant others will be undermined? Are they scared they will be discussed with all their faults and foibles? Are they scared that we'll give each other good advice and that good advice might be, "turn him loose"? :lol: Now, before anyone complains, I fully realize not all men are like that but I think there are plenty who, deep down, fear their mate's female friends on some level.

And of course flip-flops can be feminine, especially if you have a nice pedicure and some cute little toe-rings. :D

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this is such a good point, Idril. I wonder which would be the worse for sig. others to listen to? a 'hen' party or a poker game? I've been around men talking when they think I'm not paying attention, and while entertaining, in an often sick and disturbed way, :p relationship advice is hardly a hot topic.

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Originally Posted by jon1jt

no problem, just move to Brooklyn. :D

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egads!

u guys are cracking me up...have really enjoyed this post...i still say long live the FFF...

what's wrong with drinking and cursing?
if there's anything wrong with it, why do lots of men do it all the time? seeing as they are so incredibly strooooooong and rational, they should be able to stop it anytime?

a few random observations, not directed at anyone in particular:
if psychology was genetics it wouldn't be called psychology

re: "women are this, men are that"... the appropriate phrasing would be something like "there is evidence that..." ".... seems to indicate that...".
on that note: The world is flat, yours truly, SleepyWitch

FFF girls, can I join you? I'd prefer Doc Marten's to high heels, though

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Originally Posted by SleepyWitch

what's wrong with drinking and cursing?
if there's anything wrong with it, why do lots of men do it all the time? seeing as they are so incredibly strooooooong and rational, they should be able to stop it anytime?

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Well, a woman who drinks is not a problem; cursing comes across as a rather coarse behavior - it's not really "OK" for men, but its coarseness seems more appropriate to men and more inappropriate to women (whose refinement - both self-proclaimed and culturally-attributed - makes such behavior seem contradictory to the "softness" and "tenderness" that are associated with women). Women who act like "one of the guys" become just that - and I'm not necessarily sure that every man wants to date "one of the guys."

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Originally Posted by SleepyWitch

re: "women are this, men are that"... the appropriate phrasing would be something like "there is evidence that..." ".... seems to indicate that...".

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A reasonable request, though I would assume that it's understood by most people that any statement of "are" or "is" allows for the exception to the rule.

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Originally Posted by Redzeppelin

Well, a woman who drinks is not a problem; cursing comes across as a rather coarse behavior - it's not really "OK" for men, but its coarseness seems more appropriate to men and more inappropriate to women (whose refinement - both self-proclaimed and culturally-attributed - makes such behavior seem contradictory to the "softness" and "tenderness" that are associated with women). Women who act like "one of the guys" become just that - and I'm not necessarily sure that every man wants to date "one of the guys."

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tough luck on him then. if those women can live with some guys not wanting to date them, no harms done to anyone. so what's wrong with women behaving like "one of the guys", providet that women weren't created for the sole purpose of dating men?

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Originally Posted by Redzeppelin

A reasonable request, though I would assume that it's understood by most people that any statement of "are" or "is" allows for the exception to the rule.

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eh, that's not exactly what I meant

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Originally Posted by SleepyWitch

re: "women are this, men are that"... the appropriate phrasing would be something like "there is evidence that..." ".... seems to indicate that...".
on that note: The world is flat, yours truly, SleepyWitch

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:lol: :thumbs_up :p

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FFF girls, can I join you? I'd prefer Doc Marten's to high heels, though

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Of course! Type of footwear doesnt matter, as long as they hurt when they impact with limbs!:p

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Originally Posted by jon1jt

but have you ever thought of the possibility that what you interpret to be a man's "fear" is actually a man's "frustration" that his girfriend or wife is not spending more time out of the house with her female friends so that he can relax at home in peace and quiet? :D ;)

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Yeah...um...I don't think so. :p Otherwise we would hear, "Why don't you call up *insert female's friend's name here* and go out for coffee?" instead of, "Are you going out with her again?". :lol: And I've often noticed the attitude...on occasion...that when men get together with their buddies, they're bonding whereas when women get together, we're 'conspiring'. :rolleyes:

Female friendships can be incredibly empowering and that empowerment can bring about confidence and that confidence, in a woman's own mind, body, sexuality and just general worth, can be very feminine. Would you rather have a mouse or a tiger? ;)

Beyonce Knowles, isn't she a lovely young lady? you can even see some stubbles where she forgot to shave!

I got this pic from a thread in another forum (a nerdy Star Trek forum), where people where asked to nominate their sexiest celebrity. the guys all posted pics
like this one. so what does that tell us about the male psyche?
image of beyonce

anyways, this is another example of women/people in general losing their sense of decency, as oppposed to femininity/masculinity. what's wrong about this pic for me isn't that Beyonce behaves un-femininely, but that I'm forced to look at things I never asked to see. if a man posed that way, it would be called flashing...

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Originally Posted by Redzeppelin

Well, a woman who drinks is not a problem; cursing comes across as a rather coarse behavior - it's not really "OK" for men, but its coarseness seems more appropriate to men and more inappropriate to women (whose refinement - both self-proclaimed and culturally-attributed - makes such behavior seem contradictory to the "softness" and "tenderness" that are associated with women).

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..the softness and tenderness that are associated with women by whom?

Well, I'm all for sexy women, I encourage that, but sexy does not mean distasteful.

Sleepy, since this is an all ages forum, I've changed the img you had of beyonce into a link, so people can choose to look at it, and not be confronted with it directly.

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Originally Posted by AimusSage

Well, I'm all for sexy women, I encourage that, but sexy does not mean distasteful.

Sleepy, since this is an all ages forum, I've changed the img you had of beyonce into a link, so people can choose to look at it, and not be confronted with it directly.

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thanks Aimus:p i couldn't remember how to do it (just got up an hour ago :))

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Originally Posted by SleepyWitch

thanks Aimus:p i couldn't remember how to do it (just got up an hour ago :))

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Hey, I did too! :lol: But I am a morning person ;)

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Originally Posted by SleepyWitch

..the softness and tenderness that are associated with women by whom?

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by natural laws, evolution. why must women insist on making men out to be the villains?? there was never a vast conspiracy made up of men for the single purpose of controlling women.

rather, it was a band of rabble-rousing women who disrupted the course of social history. i'm not suggesting that all women were particularly "happy" about their place in the world; surely men prevented what they thought to be "normal"--that being a woman who stayed home to care for her children while the husband worked and provided. what was so wrong with that arrangement??

feminists point to history as if all were tragic, as if all men were systematically involved in the suppression of women "rights." gimme a break. it was merely a different value under which women cultivatedfeminine habits and attitudes that they have long since abandoned.

and for what? to behave like beyonce knowles? britney spears? paris hilton? because they can?? ok, so do.

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Originally Posted by jon1jt

what was so wrong with that arrangement??

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freedom to choose?

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Originally Posted by Madhuri

freedom to choose?

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excellent, Madhuri!