What created God?

The lack of an iron cast answer to this question is one the of the reasons I have a tendancy to go for the Nihilist point of view. But as that is rarther boring as a post, I'll voice a few other opinions I have heard on the subject.

The question that if god is infinate, why is humanity so young? Holy scriptures almost always seem to describe the first humans as tool using sentinet beings, but such beings have been around for less than a million years, which compaired to infinity is absolutly nothing. Surely this raises the question as to whether or not this is the first universe that god created. Perhaps, if god is infinate, there are an infinate number of other universes, which would contradict the claim humanity are his chosen children, which is another claim I have heard made.

There are hundreds of religions all preaching their own indervidual ways to reach god. However, as most of them also claim to be the only true way to reach god, how does a person decide who is telling the truth and who is telling lies? Or could there be differnet gods for each religion as required, thus casting even more complextion into the question.

The paradox theory. This is something I came up with a while ago when contemplating alternative theorys as to how the universe was created. There might be a propper theory similer to it, and if so I would like to know what it is. The concept is that at some point in the future, someone, be it human or alien or whatever, will travel back in time and create the universe, causing a paradox. While it might raise the question as to how the paradox started, as a paradox is infinet, it essencially 'avoids' the question in the same style as the god argument.

This one is aimed at Big Bang believers out there: What created the big bang? Again, while it may seem a little off topic, I just wanted to pick exactly the same hole in the Science argument that is being picked here.

When Aaron changed his slat into a snake the priests of pharaoh did exactly the same. Point? That which is counterfeit is almost identical to that which is true. There are numerous political systems (as well as religions) and the adherents of these believe they have the shining path to shangri-la-on-earth. It would be odd if they didn't believe that. We probably have to work out which are true and which are false. Not beyond us once we confront our own prejudices and failings.

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Originally Posted by raphien

man is programmed to think in a particular manner and to go against it is just not easy.

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Interesting...so if God does indeed make us think the way we think, and everyone thinks differently then either we must have different Gods, or He is just plain cruel.

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Originally Posted by BeingaBunny

One problem I have with the idea of God is that, as an answer to life, it doesn't solve anything. I mean, if God created us, then what created God? It solves the question of our own existence and creates the same question of His existence - solving nothing. It merely moves the same question to another subject, which I daresay is rather fallacious.

That said, if God presides over our universe, outside of what we have here, entropy must be going on somewhere because God obviously came from something somewhere. Or - what? - he just poofed in?

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As God Himself says, He, along with every spirit, has no beginning and thus no end. I think that categorically solves the question of the creation of God, of course for Christians only.

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Originally Posted by BeingaBunny

The answer that he is omnipotent and can do whatever the hell he wants just isn't very satisfying or realistic. I mean, if he did create our universe, he must have an objective. Why would an omnipotent being have or need an objective?

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A purpose or "objective" is essential for a divine being, it is the conduit to exercise His powers to better all beings.

His objective, his "work and glory", as revealed to Moses, is "to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of Man."

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Originally Posted by BeingaBunny

The christian concensus seems to be that God cannot be created, and that he doesn't need to be because he is outside of time. That said, he also created the universe and created time inside of it.

If god is outside of time, where there is no before and after, then he could not have created the universe - because creating anything simply indicates before and after, before universe and after universe, which means that god must be affected by time in his "realm" - at least henceforth from creation.

The only way God wouldn't be affected by time is if he did not create the universe and god merely exists outside of it, neither creating the other.

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I agree with this. If God has existed from all eternity, with no beginning, which is the "Christian consensus", it does not follow that He is not subject to or in the linear progression of time. I believe that God being "inside" and not "outside" of time, does not diminish his power or authenticity, because, to me, God and the Universe are self-existing beings, and each having a relation to each other does not void either's eternality.

It is all solved if, as I believe, God did not "create" the Universe, create meaning making something from nothing, and rather organized the infinite matter already, eternally, existing into His various works, meaning that nothing was ever "created" by God or anyone else, including Himself, the Universe, and each person's spirit.