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Here is a question to think about. If time is money, what would happen to money if time did not exist? Would it become nonexistant or would it still be an exponential source of use within the worldly structure?
oh yeah its a *****...I didn't say it was persistant! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Xamonas Chegwe
money is truly and utterely irrelevant, it is a blite that we have a cure to but it is one we cling to like our precious time!Quote:
Originally Posted by Soma
existant, persistant - what is with this vowel swapping craze! e, e!
'Exponential source of use within our wordly structure' - Pseuds corner beckons! And does that actually make sense? No offense - perhaps I just don't understand! Unlikely - but possible!
er, it makes sense to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinaski
an update on the borg:
scientest were able to succesfully ping a computer chip using a rat nerve cell/chip interface...This is very cool, a possibility of organic/inorganic interaction at the microscopic order...perfect integration. I'll post the link up later, but you should be able to find it on the makezine blog (makezine.com/blog) or directly on the discovery website (thats where I read it)
Thanks, Stan. That last borg link really helped me out, looking forward to your next borg link. You know, after reading what you wrote about 'whats wrong with being a borg', I woke up to its really a form of modern socialism, except there's cheap spare parts instead of expensive health care, and no money, no time, is a good thing too. I downloaded some mp3 stuff, along with 10,000,000 other borgs today, thanks to the collective! :nod: :nod: :nod:Quote:
Originally Posted by Stanislaw
What I mean by exponential source of use within our worldly structure is that by having it still with us, would it rule the world as it does today? I mean think about it, in every dealing you do in this day it revolves aroound the use of money. So back to the question at hand, if we did not have time would we go out and make the effort to get money or as we would not have time, would we just not take "time" to earn it, fabricate it, etc...? That is the question that I pose here.
I'd say that time is more or less a conception. Indeed children do not share the same vision of it than adults do. Time is endless and flexilble for a child whereas an adult's vision is somehow corrupted by the notion of death and the loss of innocence. This idea is extremely present in Romantic writings (We Are Seven by W.Wordsworth and even modern poem Fern Hill by D.Thomas).
You're absolutely right, Elizabeth, and I love that piece by WW too!Quote:
Originally Posted by ElizabethSewall
Indeed, I think you are right! Why do we need to live as "grown ups" why the lack of creativity? why the lack of empathy?
I don't believe that time exists. It is a concept created by humans. Things change over time, but time itself does not exist. Think about the following: tell yourself "I am already 50 years old." Sound absurd? Let's put it at a smaller scale. Go and touch the doorknob of the room you're currently in, but before you go, tell yourself, "I have already touched the doorknob," and "I am already back at my desk after touching the doorknob." And the fact is that you are already back at your desk, and you are as much in the present now as you were before you got up. You have already finished reading this post. You are already on your deathbed. You are already dead at this very moment, because there is no such thing as time. Depressing, isn't it?
Perhaps Joseph Heller can explain this better than I:
"Do you know how long a year takes when it's going away?" Dunbar repeated to Clevinger. "This long." He snapped his fingers. "A second ago you were stepping into college with your lungs full of fresh air. Today you're an old man."
"Old?" asked Clevinger with surprise. "What are you talking about?"
"Old."
"I'm not old."
"You're inches away from death every time you go on a mission. How much older can you be at your age? A half minute before that you were stepping into high school, and an unhooked brassiere was as close as you ever hoped to get to Paradise. Only a fifth of a second before that you were a small kid with a ten-week summer vacation that lasted a hundred thousand years and still ended too soon. Zip! They go rocketing by so fast. How the hell else are you ever going to slow down?" Dunbar was almost angry when he finished.
"Well, maybe it is true," Clevinger conceded unwillingly in a subdued tone. "Maybe a long life does have to be filled with many unpleasant conditions if it's to seem long. But in that event, who wants one?"
"I do," Dunbar told him.
"Why?" Clevinger asked.
"What else is there?"
I agree with starwritter, it seems that time is real in a sense to where we think it drags on as children then seems to speed up when we're older. I dunno that's just my opion at the moment, I will come back after I read up on the topic and formulate a point.
i find if i think too much about time i get depressed about getting older and all that "what am i doing with my life" stuff. I try as best i can not to think about it too much. I just trry to get there when everyone else does, go home when everyone else does and make use of my private time as best as a i possibly can (read, play the guitar, drink, drug and f*ck :lol: ). I eat when im hungry and sleep when im tired.
Time only really comes in useful when im thinking about football... "what times kick off?", "how long left?" etc, other than that ive no real use for it.
And thats my two pennorth'
He said it much better than I did. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by superunknown
Regarding time, reading Thomas Mann this morning, I ran upon a very interesting paragraph wherin Hans Castorp argues with Joachim Zeismann rather disinterestingly listens along. Hans Castorp (damn you, Mann, why must you always use both names?) ponders an interesting philosophical problem - that being best known as the 'Tree falling in the woods' sensory question. He mentions how some moments seem longer than others, whether you like them or not it seems, may in fact simply be longer. That time only exists because we sense it (because we must!), thus these moments are longer if they seem longer, and those moments are shorter than seem shorter.
To take it one step further myself: We measure time with a clock or calender, which measures the future, present, and past just as we use a microscope to measure molecules of the very tiny variety we cannot sense without such an instrument.
I'm certain others here can go even further with this thought.