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12-10-2011, 10:02 PM
MystyrMystyry

That's a vast improvement Max. Not just realistically but aesthetically: understatement usually works better - definitely in this case.

As to your first question I haven't gotten around to it yet, but I did discover why the rendering took so long - I multi-replicated early on and because I didn't use it I forgot. So each glassy object was in fact twenty glassy objects stacked on top of each other. Just two glass objects occupying the same space produce a sort of obsidian texture, imagine twenty. So that's why I was disappointed, not in the texture itself but a pretty bland effect, (and the time it took)

Here's some fireflies:

http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/...ystyry/ffs.jpg
12-11-2011, 06:28 PM
Maximilianus

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Originally Posted by MystyrMystyry

That's a vast improvement Max. Not just realistically but aesthetically: understatement usually works better - definitely in this case.

Thanks for the view n' comment!

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Originally Posted by MystyrMystyry

As to your first question I haven't gotten around to it yet, but I did discover why the rendering took so long - I multi-replicated early on and because I didn't use it I forgot. So each glassy object was in fact twenty glassy objects stacked on top of each other. Just two glass objects occupying the same space produce a sort of obsidian texture, imagine twenty. So that's why I was disappointed, not in the texture itself but a pretty bland effect, (and the time it took)

Interesting find. What processor does your computer have? Mine's a very old AMD Athlon, but I suppose that for 3D rendering a highly more powerful chip is needed :rolleyes:

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Here's some fireflies:
(...)

Wonderful, I haven't seen fireflies in ages now, and they look great beneath the trees! There was a time they were regular visitors in my backyard when I was a kid, but something made them vanish... probably pesticides... not sure. No more natural glows at night :(
12-11-2011, 08:27 PM
MystyrMystyry

I have a quadcore doozy - though Bryce2 still worked on my ancient Pentium 100 mhz 16 mg ram under Win95, and version 7 hasn't changed all that much really, a few more bells and whistles but a lot of the problems with the original still remain (like loading the entire texture presets into ram, not routing to the graphics card, losing focus periodically.

The only thing with multi-cores in 3D is the basic speed increase - two cores take half as long, four a quarter, and that's a blessing when anti-aliasing decides it's going to take hours (often I don't bother with it and just increase the dimensions by a pixel, and then reduce the dimensions by the same pixel - depends on the picture though). It'd still work on something that isn't a complete breadbox with a brick in it ;)

Here's a dream island

http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/...y/island-1.jpg
12-14-2011, 12:17 AM
Beautifull

Hey guys! This is a Beau pitt-stop! :) I love the art, as always! Mystyr and Max! Keep up your awesomeness~! XD

So here's one I've given color....again. I'm telling you, this is the second time I've colored this piece. Same lines, different colors.

Anyways:
http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/i/20...re-d4iqs2s.jpg

I think I've improved from one I posted before:
http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs71/f/20...re-d3aob87.jpg

And it took less time this time around! XD
12-14-2011, 02:59 AM
MystyrMystyry

Cool Beau - though they're both perfectly acceptable because they look like two different seasons/times of day. The first looks Wuthering Heightsy, and the second Midsummer Night's Dreamy (or something).

Good stuff :)

I think I've almost finished the glassy objects, just tinkering with the composition. Watch this space!
12-14-2011, 03:10 AM
Revolte

This one I'm actually happy about, enough to decide to have narrowed down the endless list of music I have made to a certain few I love and keep them as the faces of what I do. So, it's okay :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dOmYjEo5Lg
12-14-2011, 11:39 PM
Maximilianus

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Originally Posted by MystyrMystyry

I have a quadcore doozy - though Bryce2 still worked on my ancient Pentium 100 mhz 16 mg ram under Win95, and version 7 hasn't changed all that much really, a few more bells and whistles but a lot of the problems with the original still remain (like loading the entire texture presets into ram, not routing to the graphics card, losing focus periodically.

The only thing with multi-cores in 3D is the basic speed increase - two cores take half as long, four a quarter, and that's a blessing when anti-aliasing decides it's going to take hours (often I don't bother with it and just increase the dimensions by a pixel, and then reduce the dimensions by the same pixel - depends on the picture though). It'd still work on something that isn't a complete breadbox with a brick in it ;)

I suppose a multi-core may do something for me, and more RAM too. I'm presently using Paint.Net and GIMP, more or less extensively, and after adding some plug-ins and brushes I have noticed they are becoming a little sluggish, especially with multilayer projects above 1024 x 768 pixels.

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Here's a dream island (...)

It's among the most realistic renders I have ever seen. Absolutely like a real one :nod:

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Hey guys! This is a Beau pitt-stop! :) I love the art, as always! Mystyr and Max! Keep up your awesomeness~! XD

We'll try! :p

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So here's one I've given color....again. I'm telling you, this is the second time I've colored this piece. Same lines, different colors.

Anyways:

(...)

I think I've improved from one I posted before:

(...)

And it took less time this time around! XD

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Originally Posted by MystyrMystyry

Cool Beau - though they're both perfectly acceptable because they look like two different seasons/times of day. The first looks Wuthering Heightsy, and the second Midsummer Night's Dreamy (or something).

Good stuff :)

I agree with Mystyr's comment Beau. I was going to say something similar. The first has the feel of a winter scene and the second appears to be set in spring or summer. They convey different meanings. If you look carefully, they both have their own attractiveness :)

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Originally Posted by MystyrMystyry

I think I've almost finished the glassy objects, just tinkering with the composition. Watch this space!

Did you post a pic? I don't see anything from here.

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Originally Posted by Revolte

This one I'm actually happy about, enough to decide to have narrowed down the endless list of music I have made to a certain few I love and keep them as the faces of what I do. So, it's okay :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dOmYjEo5Lg

Interesting song, even for one unused to the genre!
12-15-2011, 01:00 AM
MystyrMystyry

Good song Revolte, when's the album coming out?

Now Max, I have a lot on my plate lately and completely forgot about this, and also the size reduction looks considerably worse than usual for some reason - these are actually particularly sparkly objects at native resolution, so you've been warned (the reason why it took so long to reset the scene is because something was happening to make everything really clunky - why is unknown to me - I'd move an object and it would take a minute to reveal that I had actually moved it, by which time I'd moved it again out of shot. Actually it may have had something to do with the other six billion polygons - anyway eventually I gave up trying to reproduce the other exactly [not even approximately] and just went ahead and rendered)

Night Objects:

http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/...ry/objects.jpg
12-15-2011, 04:07 AM
Beautifull

Why thank you Max, and Mystyr! I still think the blue one is better, but if you guys like both, then who am I to argue? They were both supposed to be a winter scene, but the one with the purple background was the first time I experimented with snow in my pictures...hence, the lack of snow. I'm glad they have their own attractiveness!

Mystyr: How long does it take for you to finish one of those?
12-15-2011, 04:13 AM
Varenne Rodin

Lovely works, all. Please pardon my recent absence. I've been swamped with orders for Star Wars plush dolls for Christmas. I just want to say that I am so very impressed by all of you artists. :)
12-15-2011, 05:23 PM
MystyrMystyry

Beau - in a sense they're never finished, but honestly it depends on factors like how adventurous my mood, whether I've remembered to save a similar scene for simple rearrangement or starting from scratch (which is often easier than trying to remember what it was called), whether it begins complex and then reduced to the fundamentals or vice versa, or just even how obsessive I feel that day.

I try not to make lots of images that are too similar nor even which look like I did them all at once (fiddling with the sky controls is great for that). Rendering time depends on how many and complex are the objects, which isn't a problem because I'll plump for simple primitives over a model download - like a castle is just four cylinders, four cones and four blocks, which can look more effective than something someone's devoted 6 months to and trying to sell for 3 hundred better spents.

So it comes down to the textures probably being the biggest time waster - choosing from the many (factory and my own) presets, fiddling, and then discovering it's actually not my computer's friend. Now the Deep Texture Editor is another story, in there you can create textures as complicated as you like, and spend hours exploring, sort of like breaking down time and jumping from nano-second to nano-second - it's another world in there.

So the answer in a nutshell is anything from less than a minute to hours (though I do have scenes from months ago that aren't completed yet). But the thing is the more time you're prepared to devote the faster the process becomes as your personal bank of scenes structures skies and textures grows. The ones on this page from start to completed render, are about half an hour, about twenty minutes, and about an hour respectively.

Looking at Fireflies - first the idea, then the number of trees?, their placement?, grass texture?, how to create the bugs?, what sky?, put a moon in the background?, secondary lights? - took twenty-thirty minutes, render took a minute - voila! Now I can change the sky, number, placement, grass, etc and have Fireflies, II, III, IV, to a thousand or a million if they sell.

(Whoopsy - doin' it again!)

http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/...rmystyry/o.jpg

(ten minutes)
12-16-2011, 12:32 AM
Maximilianus

3D art seems to have several whims in itself, but it's pretty sure you'll keep figuring things out Mr. Myst... it's like you have the thing in the palm of your hands, as everything looks better time and time again. I have a weakness for trees and grass, and might as well go 3D-picnicking :)

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Why thank you Max, and Mystyr! I still think the blue one is better, but if you guys like both, then who am I to argue? They were both supposed to be a winter scene, but the one with the purple background was the first time I experimented with snow in my pictures...hence, the lack of snow. I'm glad they have their own attractiveness!

Yeah, you'd better be a good girl and don't argue :p

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Originally Posted by Varenne Rodin

Lovely works, all. Please pardon my recent absence. I've been swamped with orders for Star Wars plush dolls for Christmas. I just want to say that I am so very impressed by all of you artists. :)

As for me, I forgive you... but I want to see more sculptures and the plush dolls... now! :p
12-17-2011, 03:21 PM
Beautifull

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Yeah, you'd better be a good girl and don't argue :p

Wow, more demanding than usual! XD I agree I agree! Don't shoot me! :lol:

@Mystyr: What a great explanation. :) I'm surprised I could understand it....especially since you use a program that I don't, so I expected to hear a lot of terms I didn't know. XD

But your moon is very pretty, and this one looks like a jumping house....:D I wish they made jumping houses like that...I think I'd have more fun with them that way.

@Varenne: You're forgiven....we all do it every once in a while. :D
12-17-2011, 06:17 PM
Varenne Rodin

Thanks, Beautifull and Max!

I love all of the trees and grass and water happening here lately!

Here's my Yoda...

http://www.online-literature.com/for...pictureid=9353

I also made a Tooka doll on request, Clone Wars silliness, but it turned out cute enough I think...

http://www.online-literature.com/for...pictureid=9359

http://www.online-literature.com/for...pictureid=9357

http://www.online-literature.com/for...pictureid=9358

Yoda is a 5 inch tall mini plushy. Tooka is slightly taller. Both are hand stitched in felt made 100% from recycled plastic water bottles. :)
12-17-2011, 11:35 PM
Maximilianus

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Originally Posted by Beautifull

Wow, more demanding than usual! XD I agree I agree! Don't shoot me! :lol:

http://fc03.deviantart.net/images/i/..._emoticon___v2

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@Mystyr: What a great explanation. :) I'm surprised I could understand it....especially since you use a program that I don't, so I expected to hear a lot of terms I didn't know. XD

Yeap, he knows how to put it in understandable terms :)

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But your moon is very pretty, and this one looks like a jumping house....:D I wish they made jumping houses like that...I think I'd have more fun with them that way.

I hadn't noticed the jumping house! :eek: I always stare at trees, grass and the things in the sky... and hardly ever notice the jumping houses! http://smiles.kolobok.us/standart/swoon.gif :)

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Originally Posted by Varenne Rodin

Thanks, Beautifull and Max!

I love all of the trees and grass and water happening here lately!

Here's my Yoda...

I also made a Tooka doll on request, Clone Wars silliness, but it turned out cute enough I think...

Yoda is a 5 inch tall mini plushy. Tooka is slightly taller. Both are hand stitched in felt made 100% from recycled plastic water bottles. :)

These works of yours are a lot more elaborate than what I've seen so far in plastic bottles, Var. The material beneath can't be told and all that can be seen is the resulting art, whereas in other works I've seen the plastic bottles are quite noticeable. You've just earned one +10/10

http://i1005.photobucket.com/albums/...ighlighted.png

:)

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