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A woman with a gun is stronger than a rapist folks, and one loud "I've got a gun!" can send most rapists running. Oppose restrictive gun laws, any woman who passes handgun safety and legal training courses and a criminal record check should be permitted to carry hers in public. The majority of American states have Right to Carry laws and their crime rate and number of shootings and rapes has vastly decreased in the decades since it's been so, Canada would be stupid to not follow suit.
A man does not rape. If a male rapes a female then he is not a real man. He's a sick punk. Simple as that.
I understand what you mean. How do you discuss with someone who says things like that? It's quite simple for us... "No, it's an evil act, one of the few that are there are no shades of grey." It's kind of confusing to run into a position like this. Even when 100% of the replies say, "no.. um, no," the person still thinks it's controversial, so, what can you do? But I'll bet we're making some difference, even if small.Quote:
Originally Posted by mtpspur
There is no shade of grey. There is good and there is evil and its pretty obvious on which side of the line the act of rape falls. The ambiguity, the so called "grey," is accounted for in the power of change, of repentence and forgiveness.Quote:
Originally Posted by NikolaiI
That's what I said, eh? I guess my English was off, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darcy88
Yeah probably. Its late and when its this late I get a little retarded. When it comes to intelligence I got a bit of a Jekly and Hyde thing goin on.Quote:
Originally Posted by NikolaiI
Don't you mean Jekyll? :p
Yeah, it's a strong argument. I used to think that it'd possibly be a good idea to end the lives of many people who do those kinds of things. Since then I've grown or moved out of that line of thinking, but I might think differently if I had lived a different life. Or, I definitely would. I don't know. Personally I think the only long-term solution is for, well, for everyone to wake the **** up. Wake up in the sense that nothing is really worth worrying over, fearing or doubting, etc. But - preliminarily, if you have desires there are certain ways to go about satisfying them that are okay, and certain ones that are never okay. That's kind of a basic human social skill.Quote:
Originally Posted by JuniperWoolf
And the question of how is it possible that so many people don't possess this basic skill, which is ultimately grounded in empathy, is difficult to comprehend; although I think the answer lies in that we learn from our parents and environments. When people are unable to emotionally grow, they may end up doing atrocious things.
What if the woman doesn't have a gun? What if she's not even a "woman" yet, but an innocent child? Heck, let's say she's poor and ignorant. And a person who is from a certain class of "superiority." And this person takes advantage of his/her position to take control of the poor/innocent child.Quote:
Originally Posted by JuniperWoolf
Your problem is that you are looking at this from a financially-able point of view which is biased towards the middle class society. I have heard far too many stories of maids getting raped by their boss, overseas workers getting sexually harassed by their employers, and children getting abused sexually, even by their parents.
Woah, slow down Jethro. I'm not talking about "ending the lives of many people." The very vast majority of Americans who have licences to carry firearms never, ever, in their entire lives, remove them from their holsters except for target practice. Two points though:Quote:
Originally Posted by NikolaiI
1. The simple fact that potential "victims" either may be or certainly are armed is almost always enough to scare away criminals.
2. Better to wear a gun and keep it snug in it's holster every day for the rest of you life and never need it, than to need it one day and NOT have it, when someone starts following you home and acting agressively towards you after night classes which has actually happened to me, (pull it out, hold it up, shout "I have a gun!") or when a random stranger stands up at the front of your University class or at the mall and starts picking people off one by one.
Do you know the rape statistics in North America? Maybe if you had a vagina, you wouldn't think that "nothing is really worth worrying over."Quote:
Originally Posted by NikolaiI
If she's a child in that situation then alterations to the gun laws can't help her and don't affect her at all. Poor children aren't who I'm talking about, I'm talking about people with enough money to afford a gun (and if you're able to afford a cell phone, you're able to afford a gun) and who are old enough to take the courses and get registered. Just the CHANCE that the woman Shadowy Rapist Guy is stalking MIGHT have a gun in a society which allows Right to Carry is enough to act as a deterrance, so even if the woman chooses not to carry a gun (which is her right) or can't afford one, she benefits if Right to Carry laws are passed. Right now in Canada, rapists know that any woman he sees is helpless and not armed.Quote:
Originally Posted by malayang-diwa
And yes, I know that most rapes happen in the home and are carried out by people that the victim knows. Not all of them though. There was a brutal rape in the ally behind my friend Khyrsten's house in the days before she lived there. Six rig guys followed a woman, shouting sick comments at her, until she passed before the mouth of the ally and then they grabbed her. It was so brutal that it's one of my small town's few immortal stories. When I lived in Edmonton, there was a rapist going around the Whyte ave area watching houses to see which ones had a woman either living alone or alone during most of the day, then he'd break in right in the middle of the day and rape her in her own house. I think it happened to about twenty women over the course of six months. I lived in the Whyte area, and Canadians have the right to have guns in their homes and my dad's a hunter, I've known how to shoot since I was seven. I felt much safer with a shotgun by the door.
1. Define "middle class."Quote:
Originally Posted by malayang-diwa
2. Are you saying that Right to Carry laws do not prevent rape, ever? Because if so, you should do some research.
I see your point, ok? It's just that it's biased towards countries that do have Right to Carry Laws.Quote:
Originally Posted by JuniperWoolf
Well, I can give you a relative definition from where I live, which is the class that live in concrete houses and can eat at least 3 times a day.Quote:
Originally Posted by JuniperWoolf
No, I am not saying that. As a matter of fact, yes they have prevented rape cases. All I am saying is that it doesn't solve the issue all the time.
Of course it is, that's why I'm arguing (strongly, continuously, and in many formats) that my fellow Canadians should fight for Right to Carry laws.Quote:
Originally Posted by malayang-diwa
To occasionally prevent rape is good enough for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by malayang-diwa
What about stats that show people often have their own weapon used against them? Now I only ask that out of ignorance. Living in Australia where guns are not common at all, we hear all sorts of crazy stats about America and the right to bear arms. I admit that its not clear to me what is credible and what isn't but I would believe that a woman or a man stricken with fear could quite easily find their weapon in the hands of the attacker
That's a common concern. It's very rare. You always get a few grieving parents who's kid found their gun and shot himself, and it's always really tragic and you can understand why they'd be pro-gun laws but taking into account the huge population of Americans and Canadians who own guns and the absolutely tiny number of children who have died, it could really be considered a freak accident. Sometimes the parent leaves a loaded gun with the safety off in the cookie cabinent or something, and in those situations you really can't help but blame the parent for not taking proper procautions in a house with a child around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delta40
As for the criminal taking the gun and then shooting the victim: if the assailant is willing to shoot the victim and was going to kill him/her anyway, than how could arming the victim put him/her in worse odds? Furthermore, most states that have Right to Carry legislation specify that anyone who would be permitted to carry a firearm in public must pass various courses on gun use and safety, courses that teach them their own legal rights and courses on how to act in dangerous situations. This means that not only do they have the right to protect themselves (as ALL people do, which the Canadian government is currently denying us), they're also taught how.