Post-Is Jesus really God?

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Originally Posted by Shield&Sword

My point was that trinity every one explain it as he like, not only here i saw explinations. Only wanted to asy that there is no one definition that gather all christians, some say they are parts, some say they are three complete but not three they are one, and watching the explination of the second opinion will arrive to that they are 3 parts, or they are 3 persons (gods). My point was that trinity verse gone, and any one who take the bible that people use nowadays and read it (wihtout having previuos opinions, or knowledge about trinity or that Jesus pbuh is God) he wont arrive to any conclusion of trinity, or that Jesus pbuh is God, especially if he know that seriuos verses vanished.

Me too learned more and more through this thread, i searched more in bible and learned new things. All i hope that you didnt feel any offence Rufioag or any christian here, or attacking your religioun, because me too believe that Jesus pbuh is equal to Muhammed, and believe that he is one of the greatest prophets, and his birth was a miracle made by Allah ( if Allah say to something be and its, he is not son of God, he was an alive miracle of Allah), and i believe that his mother Mary pbuh is one of the greatest women on earth she is pure and vergion(first miracle in islam that Jesus made was that he talked when he was baby and showed that his mother is innocent from what people said about here (that she made adultery) all in Mary chapter in quran 19), i believe that Jesus pbuh had a book from God called vangele (Muslims dont believe its what we have nowadays). So all what i wrote wasnt to attack Jesus pbuh, and ho could attack him or any prophet of God they all are pure and most honest they didnt mistake or were drank or made adultry God protected them, we pray to God that he gather us all with his prophets in paradise. At the end i say even if i believe in Muhammed peace be upon as prophet and refuse Jesus peace be upon him as prophet then i am out of islam and wont enter paradise, same thing if i refuse any other prophet that Holy Quran talked about or didnt talk. May Allah guide us all to right path.

Those that say the TRINITY are each only modes of one PERSON, or THREE PERSONS that are only each partially GOD, or GOD in descending order of degrees neither agree with the internally agreeing statements on the TRINITY in the Bible, nor with the unanimous Testimony of the early Church Fathers. Many unschooled Laity that mean well have in recent centuries tried to flatter opponents of the TRINITY and have influenced even the private judgements of some of the Clergy that were once their pupils. I can demonstrate from the whole early Church all that I say. Many of the silly explanations given - even sometimes more recently parroted by Catholics - are originally from sects that were never part of the Church, and whose views were thought satanic novelties from the beginning by all the early Christians. The Catholic Church did not form in some obscure corner. It was publicly conspicuous from the beginning, and incurred Roman censure almost right away. All of the other groups that claimed to be Christian only lend credibility to the Catholic Church. The Valentinians pretended a secret Apostolic Succession along the pattern of the Catholic one, and imitated the Sacraments of the Catholic Church, with ludicrous modifications to them. They used the Writings that made it into the Catholic New Testament, but allegorized everything written in them, showing that they felt a need to make due with the accepted Books, accepted before the Valentinian sect existed. What similarities existed superficially between Valentinians and Catholics shows the preeminance of the Catholic Church, which had like Rites abroad well before the Valentinian sect developed in a dark corner in a single, limited locale. How could every Catholic Parish on earth copycat an obscure, secret sect in a place of no significance to most Dioceses? Even Arius, whom "jehovah's witnesses" try to use as their ancient champion acknowledged that the Catholic Church had always been, and, while still suspected of holding heresy in his heart, was in utter terror of being excommunicated from the People of the TRINITY. I could go on and on. My point is that the contradictory versions of the "Trinity" are all from non-Catholic opinion, but that the pure Catholic Doctrine, as delivered in the beginning, remains for ever true, and the one, unanimous word on the TRINITY. One who has not learned the whole Teaching on the TRINITY might mistake a sermon on one aspect of the TRINITY for the Teaching on the whole of the matter, and mistake the ommissions as denials of the rest through silence - while it might just be that the rest has no immediate bearing in substantiating the aspect under discussion.