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And you haven't opened a thread yet!?Quote:
Originally Posted by cuppajoe_9
There is oil to be had from such untapped resources!
The one who liked smily i pasted, If you want another smiley you can look in the mirror (but i cant guarantee you will smile).
I will respond last post in this thread which is putten by thevintagepiper.
If bible is older than Holy Quran it doesnt mean Holy Bible is right. By this meaning we should search for bible from Jesus pbuh time but they dont exist, bibles were written 20 years after Jesus (if we want to consider time, then we should look at time of the scriptures writings, for example old test. is written long time before new test. but it doesnt mean according you that we refuse new test.), and 4 of them were accepted at years 300 in nicea council and even book of Luke wasnt accepted first and then they accepted it. For example book of Mathew were written in hebrew, but the hebrew scriptures dont exist, we find only greek scripture, mean we find translations but not the original one original one. If all these things happened to Holy Quran believe me alot of critics will be made. But all what we find is that Muhammed was raised as jew and then became christians and all these lies, no one can ever try to talk about holy quran accuracy, because its same Holy Quran in all world word by word, and equal to the original scriptures, so they only try to attack prophet by saying lies without any proof.
They are ways to know if the book is accurate and came from God or not, are there verses contraddict between verses in bible? are there verses added canceled? what teachings there are in bible, and which language is used?
For 1400 years the Holy Quran is the only book in world that challenged people to bring one verse like it, and no other writer in world dare to write such thing, and then challenge people to find 1 MISTAKE in it, but no answer untle now. DO you think that enemys of islam didnt try, we know who are first enemys, no one ever came and said " i have Surah like holy quran its not a broblem to bring one verse like it", but they couldnt so they are using now the media to give bad image about the only man that gave Jesus pbuh his right as prophet, and gave a witness about his mother, and gave witness about raising of Jesus, prophet Muhammed that made 1300000000 believe in Jesus and honor him and believe that his mother is vergion who gave a child by a miracle without using any bible but by the holy quran which praised all other prophets that no other book did. Even Ali Bin Abi Taleb the 4th calipha said "if i hear someone say about prophet David what the bible believers say about him then i will slash him the punishment of liers..." (bible believers say that David made adultery with wife of chef of his soldiers. This is the teachings of Muhammed pbuh that put in minds of his believers, a man who ate fruits of coca (as a lier in this forum said about our prophet and his post wasnt canceled but was closed and left people to see it) doesnt say such thing about prophets, and doesnt mention Marry pbuh in this way, and doesnt call to worship the only God, God of honest prophets, pure prophets Abraham, Jesus Moses and all others peace be upon him.
thevintagepiper Will ask you a question about something i see it a historical mistake, perhaps i got it wrong and you can clear it for me, because you said bible is realable historicaly:
Lets begin with Daniel 1:1-2 "In the third year of the reign of Jehoiakim king of Judah came Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon unto Jerusalem, and besieged it. 2And the Lord gave Jehoiakim king of Judah into his hand,"
We see that Jerusalem was sorrounded by king of Babylon in the third year of the reign of Jehoiakim. King of Babylon sorrounded Jerusalem in the year 596 B.C or 567, and the third year of the reign ot Jehoiakim was at 606 B.B
Lets take a look at Kings2 24- 6 So Jehoiakim slept with his fathers: and Jehoiachin his son reigned in his stead. 7 And the king of Egypt came not again any more out of his land: for the king of Babylon had taken from the river of Egypt unto the river Euphrates all that pertained to the king of Egypt. 8 Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother’s name was Nehushta, the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem. 9 And he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD, according to all that his father had done. 10 At that time the servants of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon came up against Jerusalem, and the city was besieged. 11 And Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon came against the city, and his servants did besiege it. 12 And Jehoiachin the king of Judah went out to the king of Babylon, he, and his mother, and his servants, and his princes, and his officers: and the king of Babylon took him in the eighth year of his reign.
The story contraddict with what Daniel book say. In kings2 we see that Jehoiachin was the king of not Jehoiachim when king of Babylon attacked, and it was a short period of 3 months, and a writer of history cant mistake such a mistake by non knowing the king in his time and what heppened in that time especially when it heppen such a big thing like war, such a mistake happen when the writer didnt live in same time, when the write write long time after things happened, especially when its so short time, the writer cant notice it. In knigs2 the writer lived at that time and knew who was the king and gave so specific information that only who live at that time can know it or a short time after it happened.
There is another problem, the age of Jehoiachin in kings2 is 18 years, while it contraddict with what written in Chronicales2 36:9 "Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: ", difference of 10 years in age, and 10 days more than what is written in knigs2 (the period he was king). The age was changed in now adays copies, it became 18 years, difference was so big, perhaps 10 days not so big. Another problem. In Jeremiah 22:18-19 "Therefore thus saith the LORD concerning Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah; They shall not lament for him, saying, Ah my brother! or, Ah sister! they shall not lament for him, saying, Ah lord! or, Ah his glory! 19 He shall be buried with the burial of an ***, drawn and cast forth beyond the gates of Jerusalem." It contraddict with Kings2 the end of Jehoiakim according Jeremiah was that he buried with the burial of an *** out of Jerusalem. A wrong prophecy, or Kings2 is wrong.
I just want to know what the hell is going on here? This thread is alien to this
web-site. The story, this thread begins with, is so obnoxious and nauseating that I almost...........
I'm a student of Human Rights and have done extensive research on Christianity, Mohammedanism, Buddism and Hinduism and have objectively analysed the concept of religion. The stories in all sacred texts are little more than hog-wash. They were contrived in order to infuse morality into barbarians. Just like Aesop's fables, which were written to infuse wisdom into children. So, it is not the logicality or the varacity of the story which one must concern himself with, but the message which the story conveys.
I am a muslim turned agnostic. I don't understand why people are fighting for their Gods if they sincerely believe in his omnipotence? Is God so helpless that he wants his followers to fight for him?
There is nothing called Mohammedanism, it is called ISLAM, if you are not familiar with this word, well you are now. Or you give words thier right now or leave it.
No fight here its normal discussion, I dont know why always non believers when they see religious people talk they say fighting, if you consider this discussion fight, well forum is full with other threads.
I don't know, which planet you come from and I don't care. Whether you like it or not, we humans, use the words Islam and Mohammedanism interchangeably.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shield&Sword
1) I never said I'm a non-believer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shield&Sword
2) I've confined my commets, on the discussions happening here, to the first two paragraphs..........
..........and the third is a general comment on religious extremism.Quote:
Originally Posted by me
I have expressed my contempt for both - religious extremism as well as this malicious propoganda which you call discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by me
I can see you are a Mohammedan. Look how Ahmaidiyyas are being persecuted in Pakistan and Bangladesh and Kurds in former Iraq and Syria and Turkey. Religious extremism begins by scandulous preaching and ends by mindless killing.
Please do not personalise your comments and/or discuss current politics.
Since this thread has outlived its purpose, it will now be closed.