Why I believe in God?

There were only a few years when Buddha suffered indigestion with lotus pizza.

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Originally Posted by Paulclem

I've heard it referred to as The Wheel of Time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalachakra

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No, Kala (in my language) means black, chakra means wheel or circle, together they mean Black Wheel or perhaps metaphorically black 'magic' or esoteric , occult or misfortune.

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Originally Posted by cafolini

There were only a few years when Buddha suffered indigestion with lotus pizza.

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I am so sorry...
I love Buddha!

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Originally Posted by MarkBastable

To be fair, old love, the same could be said of you, or me, or anyone who mounts an argument in order to defend a position. So it's hardly a useful observation about someone you're arguing with. In fact, it smacks a bit of desperation.

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Do you think so? You don’t know me….but make assumptions that it is an act of desperation. LOL!
I am not afraid to challenge my belief system. One of the reasons that I am not afraid is the fact that flexible belief system is a sign of psychological health. Don’t you think that it is very freeing?
I don’t have any need to defend my belief system. I guess you didn’t read my posts, otherwise you would know that I don’t have answers but I have questions and I keep my mind open while I search for truth.

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Originally Posted by Paulclem

The question about the Kalachakra - from what I recall - I'll go and have another look at the thread in a bit - the book on the site you mentioned has a very skewed interpretation of the meaning of Tantric Buddhism. Reading further on, I noticed denigrating references to HH The Dalai Lama. I assume you had looked at this site in good faith, but were perhaps unaware of the agenda behind it. I have read enough of the pages to understand that it does have an agenda. The reason I picked up on this - as I was browsing a link you provided - were some very basic mistakes in the explanation of some aspects of Tibetan Buddhism. It was when I looked further that it became clear that this is a site full of misconceptions and misinterpretation which is intended to show Tibetan Buddhism in general, HH The Dalai lama and Tantra in particular, in a negative light. I was merely pointing out to you that this is the case, and anyone reading it should be aware of it.

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To make a final comment, I can say that I don’t have any need to defend any religious figure whether it is Dalai Lama or Pope. Dalai Lama’s followers may believe that he is holly. I don’t. I don’t believe that Pope is holly either. If you see it that it was an agenda, so be it. I don’t have any interest to convince otherwise. But I have a lot in common with the author. I have always found fascinating that when we look for truth we arrive to the same conclusions that take us deeper.

Secondly, by not being afraid to challenge belief system, I meant not to be challenged by others but to challenge ourselves. To bottom line is that people may think whatever they want. But it is not my business what others think. They are free to choose their beliefs. But I don’t like when the truth is not being told. And I clearly see it regarding tantra and Blavatsky. Since you deny connections Blavatsky with Buddhism which is very important, we have to end here. This was a reason I said that I didn’t want to continue our discussion. :wink5:

Okay folks enough, let's now talk ''why I believe in God''!!

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Originally Posted by ftil

You don’t know me….but make assumptions that it is an act of desperation.

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Well, I know you as well as you know Paul - about whom you seem able to say 'It sounds that if somebody challenges your belief system, you become defensive and attack.'

You may say that you are not making a judgement of him, but of what he has written here. Hence 'It sounds that..." I'd say the same of you, hence 'It smacks of..."

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Originally Posted by MarkBastable

Okay, it's my contention that gravity is operated by a colony of small fuschia pixies who live in an eggbox in my attic. If you sincerely believe that too (and incidentally, the pixies will know if you're faking), I'll give you a million dollars on your sixtieth birthday. If you don't believe it - no matter. There's no downside.

So - a million dollars for believing in the pink gravity pixies in my attic - and no downside.

Go on. Believe it. Really believe it. Go on. What's stopping you?

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I suspected you would say something to that effect. And, really, I don't think there's a good defense to made against your objection. Once you violate the laws of plausibility and empiricism you are kind of left with a belief system in which anything goes.

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Originally Posted by ftil

To make a final comment, I can say that I don’t have any need to defend any religious figure whether it is Dalai Lama or Pope. Dalai Lama’s followers may believe that he is holly. I don’t. I don’t believe that Pope is holly either. If you see it that it was an agenda, so be it. I don’t have any interest to convince otherwise. But I have a lot in common with the author. I have always found fascinating that when we look for truth we arrive to the same conclusions that take us deeper.

Secondly, by not being afraid to challenge belief system, I meant not to be challenged by others but to challenge ourselves. To bottom line is that people may think whatever they want. But it is not my business what others think. They are free to choose their beliefs. But I don’t like when the truth is not being told. And I clearly see it regarding tantra and Blavatsky. Since you deny connections Blavatsky with Buddhism which is very important, we have to end here. This was a reason I said that I didn’t want to continue our discussion. :wink5:

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It's true I do defend HH, but not , I hope, unfairly. I've made some postings on the book/site you were referring to. I'm trying to show why it is biased and full of inacurracies and assumptions. I'm not personally having a go at you when I do this, but sincerely trying to demonstrate that the site is badly flawed. Don't rely on it, or rather check up on what it says.

I still maintain that Blavatsky has no knowledge of Tibetan Buddhism, and you haven't provided any connection either. You don't say why you think it is important even. I could discuss that with you if you could tell me what it is that Blavatsky wrote that has any importance at all concerning Tantra. We can leave it at that impasse though if you wish.

Secondly, by not being afraid to challenge belief system, I meant not to be challenged by others but to challenge ourselves.

Interestingly, The Buddha says that each should find out the truth of the path for themselves. This is a very important point in choosing a teacher and investigating Buddhist beliefs. I don't isagree with this sentiment in principle, and Buddhism is about challenging and changing yourself.

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Originally Posted by mazHur

No, Kala (in my language) means black, chakra means wheel or circle, together they mean Black Wheel or perhaps metaphorically black 'magic' or esoteric , occult or misfortune.

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I can see that, but this particular reference is to the Wheel of Time.

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Originally Posted by Darcy88

I suspected you would say something to that effect. And, really, I don't think there's a good defense to made against your objection. Once you violate the laws of plausibility and empiricism you are kind of left with a belief system in which anything goes.

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But Darcy, anything does go that goes. Otherwise it couldn't happen.

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Originally Posted by Paulclem

It's true I do defend HH, but not , I hope, unfairly. I've made some postings on the book/site you were referring to. I'm trying to show why it is biased and full of inacurracies and assumptions. I'm not personally having a go at you when I do this, but sincerely trying to demonstrate that the site is badly flawed. Don't rely on it, or rather check up on what it says.

I still maintain that Blavatsky has no knowledge of Tibetan Buddhism, and you haven't provided any connection either. You don't say why you think it is important even. I could discuss that with you if you could tell me what it is that Blavatsky wrote that has any importance at all concerning Tantra. We can leave it at that impasse though if you wish.

Secondly, by not being afraid to challenge belief system, I meant not to be challenged by others but to challenge ourselves.

Interestingly, The Buddha says that each should find out the truth of the path for themselves. This is a very important point in choosing a teacher and investigating Buddhist beliefs. I don't isagree with this sentiment in principle, and Buddhism is about challenging and changing yourself.

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You have the rights to believe whatever you want, including defending Dalai Lama. I don’t do it any more. Years ago, I defended Pope. LOL! Life is beautiful as I can outgrow beliefs that thwart my understanding of reality.

You are free to keep your beliefs about Blavatsky. You want me to explain the connections …….How can I do it since it took me more than a decade to pick up the pieces and make connections. I wish it were that simple as I would not need years of study, not mentioning money I have wasted. To explain what I mean, I can say that if somebody told me what I know today, I would have to believe it but I wouldn’t see it. More likely I would refuse to believe it. How human consciousness works is quite fascinating, yet it can be pain in the neck if we are committed to seeking the truth. Too many lies and deceptions. Unless we understand how our consciousness works, we have to BELIEve. :D I don’t invest my energy into believing but I keep my mind open.