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As soon as people with a Ph.D. in philosophy get involved. There has never been, to the best of my knowledge, a philosopher with a Ph.D. in philosophy, and all philosophy Ph.D.s I've ever met or read were total douchebags.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vautrin
I think it becomes bull**** when
a) it steps away from its original purpose, which is to solve problems. As I experienced it, a lot of philosophers tend to become way too pretentios sometimes.
b) philosophers sell their soul to the ruling elite, which is especially true within political philosophy and they only serve the agenda. At least in the early days it was a good exercise for your brain, even if their missed the point and didn't answered anything, but nowadays it's just a mixture of fancy words without any substance at all.
Long thread, read 5 or 6 pages, nice debate. Perhaps something is drivel if no one can understand or enjoy it. Otherwise it has some value to at least one person. Surely most philosophy has some value to some people.
Misue of philosophy,science and religion has caused an unspeakable amount of bloodshed in this world.
Its also true that some tremendous and extremely useful ideas have been aquired from humans thinking in the abstract.
But man does not live by bread or ideas alone,they are tools to achieve his goals.
Philosophy becomes dross and harmful when folks forget it is a means to and end,a tool.
What is the end?
That is a question each individual needs to answer for themself,but i think salvation is achieved in loving human relationships. Apart from this everything else is window dressing,detail or a means to an end.