Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

Destruction is a natural phenomenon, Sushil, and you cannot survive without killing something. Go to the wilderness one species lives on another. You are right when you say industrialization has imbalanced our natural conditions. But all we want is comfort and I cannot give up the comforts of driving a car on thinking that it pollutes the environment. I am born to use cars, refrigerators. I am living, and I think you too, in a cemented building. We eat biscuits and other industrially produced and processed foods.

Most of us are aware of our destructive attitudes and actions. We cannot reverse our course of living and restart living in the wilderness. We cannot think about reinventing the wheel and we are in an age of rockets and robots or stem cells - therapies.

All these are value judgements and you can be a good judge on all these ethical or philosophical questions. Your words will go vaporized. If you really can, plant a few plants if you have a garden or if you are really dynamic and live up to your ideals take the campaign of planting plants or else you too will remain a polluter though you sound high in your statements.

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There are no choices available.

If we don't stop destroying environment for thousands of Industrial Consumer Goods we go out of existence within a few years.

Other species destroy environment only for food.....Man has destroyed environment for thousands of consumer goods and services in addition to food, clothing and shelter.

The abnormality of man is crystal clear.

If Urban Society stops its supplies to Rural Society it will live forever.

If Rural Society stops its supplies to Urban Society it will die within a month.

This is the worth of Urban Work in this world.

This is the worth of Progress, Growth, Development.

This is the worth of Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP.

This is the worth of Consumer Goods and Services.

Urban Dwellers have destroyed necessary things [Animals, Trees, Air, Water and Land] for making unnecessary things [Consumer Goods].

Cities have destroyed Forests, Villages, Tribal Land, Rivers, Oceans and Atmosphere.

The combined work of society should be limited to food, clothing and shelter.....If we don't do this we go out of existence very soon.

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You are true. You identified the problem. Fine. You have not arrived at any solution. You are parroting the same thing but tell us what needs to be done and our way out of this traumatic situation. As Why do you not think deeply about afforestion? Replanting our deserts and going across villages. Do the small things that can change small communities of people rather than wasting time and energies.

We can instantly reverse our industrialization ' modern civilization and ways of living. We are accustomed to certain lifestyles. I cannot put off my industrially manufactured clothes to live in a primitive way.

Living rurally is unthinkable for many who have though many generations been living in the urban.

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Where should we start planting trees???

On billions of acres of cement, concrete and asphalt????.....In cities and towns???.....On millions of kilometers of roads and rail networks???.....On ports and airports????....In millions of golf courses, sports stadiums and Formula one race tracks???.....On millions of shopping malls and buildings???....On mining sites and industrial zones???

Forests are not saved by planting trees.....Forests are saved by not cutting trees.

Nature has been doing the work of planting trees for millions of years....That is how all the forests in the world came into existence.

Millions of animal and bird species worked for millions of years to build up all the forests in the world....Millions of animal and bird species helped in spreading the seeds of billions of trees and plants all over the world.....Wind and water helped in spreading the seeds of billions of trees and plants over billions of acres of fertile soil across the world.

Industrial Activity has destroyed most of the forests in the world....The very few forests that remain on earth can only be saved by stopping Industrial Activity for production of thousands of consumer goods and services.

For millions of years on earth forests were saved because they were not destroyed by Industrial Activity.

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Forests are not saved by planting trees.....Forests are saved by not cutting trees.

Environment cannot be saved by thousands of environmental organizations and millions of environmental activists after it has been destroyed by Industrial activity....Environment can only be saved by not destroying it with Industrial Activity.

Cancer is not cured by doing research on cancer, It is cured by not contaminating air, water and soil with billions of tonnes of Solid, Liquid and Gaseous Industrial Carcinogens.

Obesity is not cured by doing research on obesity, It is cured by not overeating and overstuffing the markets and restaurants with billions of tonnes of ready made food and snacks produced by Industrial Activity and made available 24x7, 365 days of the year.

Peace cannot be brought by thousands of Peace Organizations and millions of Peace Activists....It can only come when Military Industrial Complex stops producing and supplying billions of tonnes of weapons all over the world which is the source of wars, violence and internal conflicts all over the world.

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Originally Posted by sushil_yadav

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Forests are not saved by planting trees.....Forests are saved by not cutting trees.


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I like the quote. I am repeating: what is to be done? Who can take the initiative? A few activists like Noam Chomsky and Arundhoty who are voicing against hegemonic capitalists are singled out and unsupported. The zeitgeist movement is a temporary flame and I think that too will be extinguished in a while.

Think through solutions, my friend. I second your thoughts.

Tell me and the rest here what we can do? You have diagnosed the disease. Now try to come up with healing antidotes.

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Originally Posted by osho

I like the quote. I am repeating: what is to be done? Who can take the initiative? A few activists like Noam Chomsky and Arundhoty who are voicing against hegemonic capitalists are singled out and unsupported. The zeitgeist movement is a temporary flame and I think that too will be extinguished in a while.

Think through solutions, my friend. I second your thoughts.

Tell me and the rest here what we can do? You have diagnosed the disease. Now try to come up with healing antidotes.

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It is too late. Instead of summoning a second cataclysmic global flood this time God is just letting us spin arrogantly and destructively out of control, sowing the seeds of our own demise. The pathetic thing is that we know there is a big problem but we just sit back and do nothing. I now affirm the future horror. I believe that our inaction is a symptom of our very humanity and that we should go out inveterately, stupidly, gloriously human.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcW_Ygs6hm0

Super, Fab,

you are still wrong and still ranting, even when you change the argument.

sushil:

Interesting theory but the experiments you propose will not prove your hypotheses. Maybe people become artists because they have more of what is called "emotion" to begin with. What you need is one of those complex experiments which tests people at different stages of their lives. Also running the video at different speeds won't work. Probably the way to do it is to show the video at normal speeds but to stop it for varying lengths of time at critical points in the imagery. But how will you know the difference between a scientist and a sociopath? Time will tell?

The unabomber should sue for plagiarism of his material.

I agree by and large with our luddite friend's article. I think we pay a hefty price for a high standard of living, it dose in some ways stunt our ability to feel. mass culture dose alienate the individual. Whether or not we can know when to stop before we reach our mutual destruction is a question the future will answer. I am not holding my breath.
as far as physical labor being more emotionally rewarding, well I have done that kind of work and found it just as oppressive as working on an assembly line.

I think some people are being critical or hostile to it because any intelligent person will quickly realize, within the first page, that it is utter crap, whether the intention is good or not.

There is no way I am going to waste time dismantling this piece line by line, but the within the opening lines a statement is made - "The article examines why Writers, Poets and Artists experience more emotion than other people." That is completely subjective, and downright stupid, as it can in no way be proven.

Many people feel emotion deeply, but are not gifted artistically. Do not conflate emotion with talent or genius.

This one line set off a major red flag, and was only confirmed with another line close by - "Subject : A thinking mind cannot feel." I don't know about you, but when I'm calm or in a positive mood I tend to think better, and when I'm angry I tend to have a harder time thinking. Being angry and being happy are both emotional states. One is conducive to thinking, the other is generally not, although there are exceptions. In either case, thinking is possible while feeling, and vice versa. It is possible for thinking to produce emotional responses, and in fact, reading for pleasure is a fine example of this, as even reading for entertainment requires a certain level of thinking.

You claim intelligence is evil and a curse, but without it humans would be no better off than beasts, and even you must admit that humans require a certain level of intelligence to take care of their basic needs. Where is the IQ ceiling? Should everyone have an IQ of 60 or 70? Without intelligence we wouldn't have modern medicine. We wouldn't have the electric light bulb or refrigeration. Even neanderthals and primitive hunter gatherers had a certain degree of intelligence which allowed them to adapt to their environment, and master it, in order to secure the comfort and safety of themselves and their families/tribes. In order to to have agriculture you must first have the requisite intelligence to create it. It didn't just happen overnight. People got smarter and learned, and due to many factors, intelligence increased, though I suspect the average intelligence of people today isn't much if any higher than peoples' from 2500 years ago - the difference being that more people have access to education today.

I could go on and on, but I won't bother because it isn't worth the time.

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Originally Posted by Vota

There is no way I am going to waste time dismantling this piece line by line, but the within the opening lines a statement is made - "The article examines why Writers, Poets and Artists experience more emotion than other people." That is completely subjective, and downright stupid, as it can in no way be proven.

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On the face of it that does sound like nonsense. I wonder what "more emotion" means? There should be a way to measure it so that it can be compared. Writers use their subjectivity to create writings. Readers use their subjectivity to read.

This is quite an archaeological find, Vota--surely a steaming pile of crap in 2006 if a mere desiccated turd today. The author's point seems to be that rational thought is wrong because it interferes with his or her fantasies, and that time will bear out this eternal truth. A memorable nugget:

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Originally Posted by sushil_yadav

Stop Education.....Close Down Universities.

Stop Urban Work.....Close Down the Cities.

Do it Now.

A few years later would be too late.

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A decade has now passed, and while a great many urban jobs were lost in the interim, that only increased human suffering. Education was not stopped, although many universities became sinkholes of the very hyperemotionality Sushil was pushing. I imagine...he or she...was merely confused...about punctuation...and Especially Capitalization...and intuitively felt...that environmental degradation must somehow be to blame. Stopping education would have been one way to affirm this: as Sushil says elsewhere, "thinking minds cannot feel." Surely learning to write English correctly would only have worsened things...or will only...would and will are so confusing...ABANDON THE CITIES!

LMFAO.

I clearly was not paying attention to the date of the original post.

Desiccated turd for sure!