I don't agree with that. I still have to meet a transsexual who is happy with herself. I'm accepting of what I am, so I'll survive. I force myself to be happy, so sadness won't drag me to the gallows. My happiness is forced and shallow.
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I don't agree with that. I still have to meet a transsexual who is happy with herself. I'm accepting of what I am, so I'll survive. I force myself to be happy, so sadness won't drag me to the gallows. My happiness is forced and shallow.
Well then maybe you are projecting and should worry more about working out your own issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by miyako73
All you have to do is read transsexual memoirs. When your transsexual friends disappear one by one by death, murder, suicide, drugs, AIDS, or despair, you can't really say that they live happy lives.
The West Indian Anglicans and Episcopalians and the other churches in Grand Cayman were/are the driving engine behind embarrassing protests against gay cruises - namely the large Atlantis cruise(s).Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulclem
As a Caymanian this sort of bigotry was embarrassing for myself and diminished the integrity of the island.
http://www.caycompass.com/cgi-bin/CF...gi?ID=10384177
Here is a pic with the waterfront church in the background and protesters shouting insults as the passengers disembarked.
http://www.bugbitten.com/photos/Nort...0-1194114.html
And that's why the church receives well earned criticism.
But it's my "opinion" that what you've said in this thread has reflected that you are bigoted, and that in fact you're regurgitating flimsy faux-lighthearted Fox News rhetoric which everyone here has heard a million times and which is universally gagged over and/or mocked in every developed nation which isn't the United States to cover up what you know is nothing more than plain old hateful intolerance. I also "believe" that if you vote to restrict the legal rights of other citizens based on their sexual orientation you're committing a human rights violation which will be abhored by your descendants, in the same way that people today are ashamed of their ancestors who voted against the civil rights of non-whites and women, because in voting (if you do) you're actively taking part in their oppression. Even if you don't vote, you're still going along with a modern social movement which restricts human freedom for your own personal religious reasons, which is deplorable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shea
Oh sorry, you said that hurts you? But it's my opinion, I just really disagree with your lifestyle.
I won't dispute that the trans community has high rates of depression, which itself is connected to the complicated issues that surround gender identity. Even so, it's ridiculous to say that all trans people are unhappy, or even more ridiculous to imply all LGBT people are unhappy. I know a FtM transsexual who is quite happily married, is a university professor, and has a young child. He seems happy to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by miyako73
You obviously skipped over many of my other comments.Quote:
Originally Posted by JuniperWoolf
First of all, I DON'T watch Fox news. I have no interest in opinion media and will certainly not let it dictate what I should think.
Secondly, as I said before, I DON'T CARE if gay marriage is accepted in this country one day. I hope this isn't too political a statement, but as you're the one that brought it up, if I agree with with a politician on everything but he/she supports gay marriage, I'm not going to vote (and I do vote) for the other candidate on that reason alone. I do my very best not to let my religious veiws sway my politcal ones. (I know, what a radical concept!)
I believe in the teachings of the Bible and I don't let someone just tell me what the Bible says. I study it for myself to the best of my abilities. Therefore, I would be a hypocrite to say that I don't believe that homosexuality is a sin. But I also earlier admitted to having trouble with sins of my own so I'm certainly not going to be the one to "cast the first stone". The people that form the hateful pick lines are the bigots. You'll never see me among them.
Oh, and Juniper, if that's your opinion, then fine, you are entitled to it. But you don't seem to be respectful of mine. Yes, it does hurt that I'm being stereotyped into a group of people with which I don't belong. Therefore, in my opinion, you are no better than the hateful picketers.
If one doesn't want gay people to have the same rights as everyone else--i.e., getting married--just because of their sexuality, then yes, I do believe that person is a bigot. Look the word up in a dictionary. The definition is apt.
What I always find frustrating about people with Shea's mindset is their absolute refusal to give any actual reasons as to why they find a gay "lifestyle" (a near-bigoted term itself, as Pip pointed out) so disagreeable, beyond that the Bible says it's wrong and it just "isn't natural."
If you read my recent post on my biblical view, you see why I really am sad you have to go through all the hostility against being gay. You probably don't agree with my biblical view, and that's okay. I just really want you and other gay people to know that I don't hate you or want to "deny rights" to you just because you choose to be gay.Quote:
Originally Posted by tonywalt
I'm really getting tired of repeating myself...:mad2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mutatis-Mutandis
I DON'T CARE IF GAY MARRIAGE IS ACCEPTED IN THIS COUNTRY. I DON'T LET MY RELIGIOUS VIEWS SWAY MY VOTING.
My conviction is for the Bible. You don't like that, fine. You don't have to. But if I believe in EVERYTHING else the Bible says, but don't believe that homosexuality is a sin because not "popular" to believe that way, well then, I'd be just as much a hypocrite as the gay bashing bigots.Quote:
What I always find frustrating about people with Shea's mindset is their absolute refusal to give any actual reasons as to why they find a gay "lifestyle" (a near-bigoted term itself, as Pip pointed out) so disagreeable, beyond that the Bible says it's wrong and it just "isn't natural."
I purposely said "If ONE doesn't want gay people . . . " because I knew your stance. I wasn't calling you a bigot. I was purposely not doing so, actually. I was just stating my view of what constitutes bigotry. It seemed earlier that you were suggesting not wanting gays to marry was not a bigoted mindset (even if you don't think so yourself).
And thanks for answering. But you don't believe in everything the bible says, right? As you admitted earlier? The bible says all kinds of crazy things.
Also, I'm 99.9% sure Tony isn't gay. :lol:
OH! sorry :blush5: I guess I was on the defensive because of what Juniper said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mutatis-Mutandis
I'm sorry if you guys got that impression of me. I was earlier refereeing a 2 and 4 year old while trying to come up with responses in this thread; maybe I misworded a few things. Several years ago, a woman asked me to play harp for her ceremony. But she said it was for her and her lesbian partner. Because of my religious views, I couldn't agree to play for it. But I didn't tell her she shouldn't have a ceremony. I don't tell people how to live their lives because I don't want anyone telling me how to live mine.Quote:
It seemed earlier that you were suggesting not wanting gays to marry was not a bigoted mindset (even if you don't think so yourself).
I'm not sure what you are referring to about what I "admitted earlier." The Bible does say all kinds of crazy things when they are taken out of context. When I first joined this forum waaay back in 2003 :D, I was fairly active in the religious text section. But I found that I just simply didn't have enough time in my life to devote to defending it all. So I really don't want to bring all that up here. I didn't want to bring religion up at all really. Someone else asked me my religious views directly.Quote:
And thanks for answering. But you don't believe in everything the bible says, right? As you admitted earlier? The bible says all kinds of crazy things.
:lol: Sorry Tony. I've just recently returned to the forums and am not familiar with you yet. :D When you said "I'd be happy enough to be gay for a bunch of superficial reasons" I misunderstood that to mean you were gay. It changes the meaning of the rest of your post. It's unclear now what your point really was because I can't see what you were responding to when I scroll down. It dosen't help that it's after midnight and I'm ready to crash... :lol:Quote:
Also, I'm 99.9% sure Tony isn't gay. :lol:
I get ya, Shea. And don't let Juniper put you off. She's brash with everyone. Anyways, we need a replacement for Bien around here, even if you're not as hardcore as him. :D
:D Thanks Mutatis. I'm not sure who Bien was, but I hope I suffice :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mutatis-Mutandis
Did the business they bring help? If there's one thing that sorts people's minds out it's money. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by tonywalt
Just to clarify what I said to you before I said under the impression that you were against gay marriage, I apologize if I mistook what you said. Look, if you believe being gay is a sin, that is your belief, but then again drinking and gambling and divorce are pretty big sins too from the biblical perspective; alcohol gambling and divorce are all legal though, so I fail to see from a religious perspective how gay marriage somehow would undermine the morality of the state. Furthermore the majority of western nations are all secular states and as such law and religion should not mix. Until drinking and gambling and divorce are made illegal I fail to see how using the law to prevent gay marriage is an un-hypocritical stance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shea