Does it matter if people believe in Creationism?

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10-15-2006, 10:24 PM
cuppajoe_9

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Originally Posted by Nightshade

NO I dont think so it doesnt need an absurd belief to make someone go out and shoot people, thats sorry a bit of an ilogical stament dont you think? It means that people only do things because of beliefs and belief systems. WHile as I see it most people do things in an attempt to get somthing for themselves.

The idea that drawing attention to yourself is worth the lives of innocent people is a pretty absurd belief, n'est pas?
10-15-2006, 10:25 PM
alennox21

of course they would

Hey, where do you think you come from?
Mother, wife, sister and daughters.
More to the point given no senses, who would maintain you? Who would provide your sustanance?
The universe is on a mad dash to the total opposite pole of love. It's evident that love is the opposite pole and sustains life.
Of course you can commit me to an assylum, but my wife sister and daughters will be at my side.

And, the beauty of it is the beginning of the universe really is no farther away than a loving touch.

Okay, put me in a straght jacket

re-v
10-15-2006, 10:32 PM
cuppajoe_9

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Originally Posted by alennox21

Hey, where do you think you come from?
Mother, wife, sister and daughters.
More to the point given no senses, who would maintain you? Who would provide your sustanance?

I don't think you're crazy, but you've hardly explained yourself.

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Originally Posted by alennox21

Mother, wife, sister and daughters.
More to the point given no senses, who would maintain you? Who would provide your sustanance?

My mother, (hypothetical) wife, sister and (hypothetical) children, presumeably. What are you driving at? I gather you're trying towards a 'first cause' argument of some sort, but you're not being very clear.

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Originally Posted by alennox21

The universe is on a mad dash to the total opposite pole of love. It's evident that love is the opposite pole and sustains life.

What makes you think that the universe is on a mad dash towards hate? Actually, what does that mean?

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Originally Posted by alennox21

And, the beauty of it is the beginning of the universe really is no farther away than a loving touch.

Okay, put me in a straght jacket

If you insist, but I really am interested in what you are driving at.
10-15-2006, 10:36 PM
Nightshade

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Originally Posted by cuppajoe_9

The idea that drawing attention to yourself is worth the lives of innocent people is a pretty absurd belief, n'est pas?

Not really, Im not sure Id concider it a belief -- I guess thats where it gets tricky where all these eventually end up disinergrating semantics :rolleyes:--
anyway as I was saying is that what they are believeing and do they consider the people at all?

Hows this for an example. War is an attrocity. But war is not always absurd, more often it calculated and scarily logical using the example of macedonia and babylon when which it was went in and masscured the others that was absurded it was cold caluclacted revenge and seizing an opertunity to become a wealthier stronger country.

The building of the suez canal wasnt absurd was it? And yet the egyptains and they are taught this in school- hold that that was an attrocity inflicted on the natives that hundreds if not thousands of 'natives' died /were killed in the digging of that thing. Bu it wasnt absurd it was buisness.
10-15-2006, 10:48 PM
cuppajoe_9

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Originally Posted by nightshade

The building of the suez canal wasnt absurd was it? And yet the egyptains and they are taught this in school- hold that that was an attrocity inflicted on the natives that hundreds if not thousands of 'natives' died /were killed in the digging of that thing. But it wasnt absurd it was buisness.

The idea that British pounds are of more value than Egyptian lives is absurd in the highest degree, in my humble opinion. Of course now I'm defining 'absurd' in such a way that I can't possibly be wrong, and defending one of Voltare's little quips is hardly worth it. If I was in your place, I would stop arguing semantics with the obstinant little Canadian over the internet and go to bed.
10-15-2006, 10:54 PM
Nightshade

huh well I might stop arguing with you but am too wound up by the 'incedent' we had here tonight to be going to sleep. so Ill just keep arguing :D

And again I hold that that isnt absurd its egoand ethingcentered greeed and selfishness nothing absurd in it at all.:nod:
10-15-2006, 11:00 PM
cuppajoe_9

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Originally Posted by Nightshade

And again I hold that that isnt absurd its egoand ethingcentered greeed and selfishness nothing absurd in it at all.

Well I don't know about you but I consider greed (where it leads to murder) and ethnocentrism extremely absurd. I'll just keep saying that you know...
10-15-2006, 11:17 PM
Nightshade

But its not absurd as in foolish it makes a twisted but definate sense. mind you I will agree with you that if we follow it back to the root latin surdus meaning harsh then yes absurdity often leads to attrocity.
but then again love is absurd.
10-15-2006, 11:25 PM
cuppajoe_9

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but then again love is absurd.

You make an interesting point. Again, I'm not interested in defending Voltaire all that vigorously. I think the trick in arranging an atrocity is to convince a lot of people of somthing absurd ex. that aryans are the 'master race', that your country is better than every other, that money is worth more than human life. Ya know, that kind of thing.
10-16-2006, 06:00 AM
RobinHood3000

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Originally Posted by alennox21

Forget sense!
Would not your mother, wife or sister care for you?

I understand if it's too personal a question, and you need not reply.

re-v

Feh, not at all. Just as a warning, though, recent events have me a bit tightly wound, so I'm a mite bit cranky.

If I lost all sense, sure. If they lost all sense, probably not. If everyone on the planet lost all their sense, well...we'd be someplace like where we are today.

Now I'm sure you have a profound, earth-shattering point to make on that basis, so go right ahead.
10-16-2006, 06:03 AM
Nightshade

I dont understand the point alennox21 is makeing and being confused will get me annoyed which I really havent the time or energy for today so can someone explain it to me?!

please

What do women have to do whith the creation of the world?
10-16-2006, 07:40 AM
ennison

Evolutionist guesswork

Thank you for taking the time out to reply even if you don't see the joke in the bit about being more human. Anyway your pursuit of the line that only Lucy's ancestors are human is not only dangerous but wrong. I'm sure Locke was a fine feller but he would not have fallen into the trip of misreading scraps of evidence to jump to such erroneous conclusions. Good wishes to you and your odd bonnet.
10-16-2006, 05:03 PM
alennox21

My point is who will sustain you? The universe is running to disorder.
Take your house; If left untouched and not maintained it will eventually
atrophy, wear away.
I didn't mean to limit the idea of God to a gender. I want to point out the idea of care and love. It's a slam dunk when I refer to mother, wife, sister or daughter. And that, cosmologically, the beginning is also the present and future. It all starts with Love.

re-v

I'm sure that is pretty easy to understand.
10-16-2006, 05:08 PM
cuppajoe_9

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Originally Posted by ennison

Anyway your pursuit of the line that only Lucy's ancestors are human is not only dangerous but wrong. I'm sure Locke was a fine feller but he would not have fallen into the trip of misreading scraps of evidence to jump to such erroneous conclusions.

Scraps of guesswork my arse. Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_evolution. The fact (that's right, fact) that evolution occurs is as sure as anything else in biology. Either we arrived at the truely breathtaking biodiversity that currently exists on earth through evolution, or it was designed by a cosmic prankster who took great pains to make everything look like it evolved.

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The Genetic code is the same for almost every organism, meaning that a piece of RNA in a bacterium codes for the same protein as in a human cell.

If you or anybody else has a convincing non-evolutionary explaination for that, I would be absolutely fascinated to hear it.
10-16-2006, 05:13 PM
cuppajoe_9

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Originally Posted by Nightshade

I dont understand the point alennox21 is makeing and being confused will get me annoyed which I really havent the time or energy for today so can someone explain it to me?!

please

What do women have to do whith the creation of the world?

It's some sort of an argument from order, if I'm not mistaken. The universe is so ordered that there must be a God to keep it that way. Man, if this is order I'd hate to see chaos.

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