How's The Weather?

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Originally Posted by Shalot

I didn't accuse you of jumping on Virgil's bandwagon. I just think it's interesting that you bring up global warming and refer back to Virgil's posts about it. He does have a technical background, and seems to have read a lot about it, and provides links to sources that back up his assertions. In fact, he is very opinionated on the issue, and must be thrilled to have a fellow skeptic on the boards. I responded to another post about global warming and I pretty much said that I had no scientific background and wanted to read a convincing argument one way or the other, and he put together a well-written post on the subject.

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I was just coming in here to say what a lovly spring evening it was here, and whoa, I see my name. :lol: :lol: It's good to see some other skeptics around.

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Originally Posted by Antiquarian

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Once the scientific community discovered that global temperatures were much cooler than normal, they changed "global warming" to "climate change" rather than admit a mistake.

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Originally Posted by Shalot

Where did you read that? I was not aware that the term "global warming" had been officially replaced by "climate change."

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Oh that is absolutely true Shalot. The last ten years have actually been cooling, not warming, according to the climatologist that have been claiming global warming. And that's with all of India and China on this exponential growth and industrialization. It doesn't even make sense. India and China have been producing big time greehouse gases and yet we've gone into a cooling trend of ten years?

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Do you have a specific article that you could link here? I am not trying to be a smartarse, I am just asking because this issue is in the news everyday. There always seems to be some global warming summit going somewhere in the world. Leaders of other countries get together to discuss what needs to be done about climate change or global warming. They're concerned enough to have meetings about it so if you're going to say that it doesn't exist (LOL) show me your source.

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I'll have to find some sources. I've been meaning to pull a blog entry on this subject. I'll do it shortly.

Shalot, let me just pose this question: How do they measure the temperature of the earth and average it over the course of a year? And how do they know what the temperature was a hundred years ago across the whole earth and averaged for the year?

Well, I discovered the answer. They computer model it. Well, we model lots of things in engineering, especially stresses on parts so we can tell when they'll break. But it's gross estimate. The climotologists are modeling and striving to capture one degree temperature change over the course of a hundred years. Modeling isn't that accurate. You don't have all the conditions modeled in because you aren't always aware of all the inputs. For instance, sun spots can temperature irregularites. Do they model the sun spots? I doubt it. One degree in a hundred years is within the margin of error.

Finally how many times have you seen scientists in the news claim that coffee is bad for you and then claim coffee is good for you and then claim coffee is bad for you. There is nothing sacred about scientists making claims only to be proven wrong. Climatologists in the 1970s were predicting we were headed for an ice age.

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Originally Posted by Virgil

Oh that is absolutely true Shalot. The last ten years have actually been cooling, not warming, according to the climatologist that have been claiming global warming. And that's with all of India and China on this exponential growth and industrialization. It doesn't even make sense. India and China have been producing big time greehouse gases and yet we've gone into a cooling trend of ten years?

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Okay, the last 10 years have been cooling, not warming (except here, we're actually warmer, but the running joke here is that it's East Tennessee - we can have some wild temperature shifts and that's the norm here for whatever reason. But, and this has been documented, our winters are milder, our springs are earlier, it's overall warmer. Here). I wasn't asking about temperature change though. I was asking about the shift from the term "global warming" to "climate change" specifically. When did that become the new term? Just curious. I put global warming 2008 into Google, and one of the first hits I got was a web page and when you opened it up, it said (instead of global warming) Climate Change. When I left off the 2008 (this was last night) I got web pages that used the term "global warming." So, what's the deal with that?

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Finally how many times have you seen scientists in the news claim that coffee is bad for you and then claim coffee is good for you and then claim coffee is bad for you. There is nothing sacred about scientists making claims only to be proven wrong. Climatologists in the 1970s were predicting we were headed for an ice age.

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I know, I know. Everytime you turn around there is a new health data available. In the 90's, fats were bad. Eat low fat diets. Now, we have good fats and bad fats. Eggs raise your cholesterol. Don't eat eggs. Oh, but wait, eggs have protein. Eat eggs. But, then someone else comes along with another article, and qualifies those statements, and we all know now that too much fat is bad (so, yes in the 90's when fats were bad, that was technically true, but they didn't mention that those low fat foods were full of sugar and sodium) and now we know that it's those trans fats so use olive oil instead (but remember, it's still FAT). I could go on and on.

I am sure someone who is more educated about global warming, climate change, could argue the same way. I am just not able to do so because I don't know.

Global warming, climate change is constantly in the media and businesses are now marketing green products (don't leave a carbon footprint!!!) Are those products BS?

I have to go to work now which sucks, because I'd love to sit here and ramble about this. But, alas, there's that bothersome money issue.

Have a good day Antiquarian and Virgil, you global warming haters!!

Today's weather:
Hot
Humid
Torrential rainfall
Flooding
Tornado


All the perks of summer in one day. :rolleyes:

its starting to thunder and lightening here @10:00 pm in the east

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Originally Posted by pussnboots

its starting to thunder and lightening here @10:00 pm in the east

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I hope that you have a better time with it tonight than we have today. It is so bad here that cars were floating down the street!

I drove through an unbelievable storm this evening - there were reports in the city where cars were FLOATING in intersections. The flooding everywhere was insane.
It was scary, but now I'm home, where it's about 75 and humid, but calm.

Rather cold

Today was the hottest day of the year so far, I think we hit 95. I say, "bring it on." After spending three years in northern Europe, I'm ready for some heat

It's pouring koalas and sheep-dogs!
Very heavy rain all day today. A little cold, but a good excuse to stay in my room in my pj's :)

it's going to hit 100 degrees here in NY today. I think I'll fill the doggie pool so my dog can take a dip! As for me I'll stay inside where its nice and cool

Sunny here...

I'm halfway through a vacation trip to Karpathos, Greece:

31°C / 87°F, scorching sun, and not a cloud in sight :) I have spent the day snorkeling, and generally goofing off in the warm water. No earthquakes yet today, but two yesterday, and another two the day before that: Nothing heavy, though, and no damages to anything. The biggest one was 5.3 on the Richter scale, with the epicenter some 10 km away from us, but deep down below the surface.

Now for more ouzo, wine, good food and swimming.

/Claes

too hot..

A lot more pleasant than it has been these past few days. It is sunny and in the 70's. I am not fond of weather when it hits the upper 70's, but at least the humidity isn't as high. It isn't low, but you can definitely feel the difference from yesterday. After all, it is much easier to breathe!! :)

So hot -_-