I'm not sure if I understand exactly what you are saying, but I don't agree with your blanket statement about Belief and knowledge.Quote:
Originally Posted by cafolini
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I'm not sure if I understand exactly what you are saying, but I don't agree with your blanket statement about Belief and knowledge.Quote:
Originally Posted by cafolini
I find this rather profound.Quote:
Originally Posted by cafolini
What is God? Is your belief God? Is what you have learned from your scriptures or what you have heard from your elders God?
Our knowledge of God cannot go beyond these peripheries. Our knowledge of God is our environment's impression on us and nobody can experience anything beyond the realities one is surrounded by his environment.
Do you have any real experience? Does your post here make people convinced about the existence of God? This is a very subtle domain, unearthly and unexplained
I agree with the part I put in bold, assuming I understood it.Quote:
Originally Posted by osho
There are people who have had mystical experiences. There are people who have had near-death experiences. There are people who have had shared-death experiences, where they see or experience a loved one who recently died. There are people who have had other paranormal experiences. These are all experiences that come from the environment and can lead to a knowledge of God or something beyond what we normally take to be the space-time matter-energy reality that some people claim is all that is real.
Your ideas are moving me and I immensely second your opinion, for we all are whether it is the community of scientists, philosophers, thinkers, spiritualists or the common man, all are very mystified and no logic will prove to say there is power or no power beyond our understanding. The universe is mysterious and physics cannot fathom the depth of the mystery or even they cannot have theories.Quote:
Originally Posted by YesNo
Both theism and atheism is nonsense and their conclusion never convincing. I do not mean this is an agnostic idea. I do not want to theorize this mystery and I am satisfied by calling it a mystery and whether I call it so or do not do so or theorize, or analogize or hypothesize this will always remain a mystery
Why should we believe in God?
Here is an answer from Christian viewpoint.
''"The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands."the Bible
Not so long ago a school district here in the United States was ordered by a judge to remove stickers from biology text books that said that evolution was a theory, not a fact.
How interesting in this so-called day of diversity that we allow evolution to be taught as fact but are not allowed to teach that there might be another way to look at life—including Intelligent Design—even if not God!
Even Charles Darwin, the father of evolution, said a century and a half ago, "To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree."
And as Chuck Colson said, "And Darwin didn't know nearly as much as we do about the sophistication of the signal processing from the eye and the nose."3 Not to mention the miracle of birth and millions of other miracles that we live with every day of our life. Even our little dog that is so bright and so loving absolutely amazes me.
In life we pretty much hear what we want to hear and turn a deaf ear to what we don't want to hear. We also see what we want to see and turn a blind eye to what we don't want to see. Belief is basically the same and not based on rational thinking. It's based on choice. Generally speaking, we believe what we want to believe, what we are most comfortable with, and what we choose to believe.
True, none of us has ever seen God and many use this as an excuse not to believe in him. I can't see electrons either, but every time I turn on my light switch, I see the evidence of electrons in action. I can't see radio waves either, or TV signals that come from satellites, or the wind, but I see and hear the evidence of their existence continually.
The fact is if we want to "see" God, we will because the evidence of his existence is everywhere we look. But if we don't want to see him, we won't.
Again, it is choice, not chance, that not only determines our belief in God but also our eternal destiny. So choose wisely. Your life depends on it. Eternity awaits us all.'' (source: ACTS)
I agree with Osho completely about the inevitability of mystery no matter what. It has no resolution other than true mystery. All tolerance for other people's beliefs or disbeliefs part from that position of awareness of inability to know the ultimate conclusive answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by osho
I agree that there is no reason to exclude the theory of creation from schools. It's embedded in humankind's history. I wrote to my kids school about this but met with a tentative response that a school was not a place for politics!
I would accept a history course on religion in school. But it would have to be taught as history, not as religion. As religion it would have to be taught in contrast to religions not chosen for the course and, as such, a boring and damaging imposition on the freedom of religion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delta40
Furthermore, a history course on religion would have to have a lot of variety so as not to be biased toward one side or the other. I don't think there would be enough teachers capable of giving such a class. If religion is to be genuine, thousands of belief and disbelief systems would have to be exposed. A very difficult task.
I don't believe the theory of creation is about teaching religion. I appreciate that it may be a difficult task but schools are prepared to teach kids about other cultures. Why not throw cultural theories of creation into the mix?
To be fair, you would have to teach many courses as electives. Far too many. Even at a university level they would be far too many.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delta40
There are more than 4000 religions in the world. In the United States alone there are more than 300 denominations in monotheism alone.
lol. I don't care enough about the subject to keep debating it, only to say that the theory of creation is a worthwhile topic.
One of the most interesting religions exists on the basin of the Orinoco in Venezuela. The natives there, being black, clain that after creating the world, God saw a lot of bad people and punished them by turning them white.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delta40
Awsome...Quote:
Originally Posted by mazHur
AOA Mazhar.. i would say that one can find God through rational mind as well. and infact i beleive rational mind ,whose base is strong argument and logic, is one who can only recogonize lord.
evidences everywhere , yes u r right , strongest argument is quran. full with scientific facts, prove one fact wrong rationaly and get rid of Lord. this suggestion is for those who think that they have rational mind.
sounds quite funny yet it may be true. Bad people have been stated in other literature as well to have been turned into elephants and monkeys,etc. This statement cannot be set aside on the mere basis that it doesn't have proof. It is also clear from the belief in Awagon, ie from the theory of reincarnation.Quote:
Originally Posted by cafolini
By what other name would you call ''animism'??