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I have read it also. You can obtain a copy from her web site. It is only the first twelve chapters but it is great. I have been told that she is going to finish the book and publish it we can only hope. If you were an Edward fan before reading Midnight Sun you are going to love him after reading it.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by *Classic*Charm*
well...some would argue that Jacob should just get lost, because he just complicates Edward and Bella's relationship, but others would say Jacob is doing the right thing because they think that Bella is much safer with him than it is with Edward.Quote:
Originally Posted by limajean
I think Jacob is good, don't get me wrong I sometimes wish he would get lost and leave Bella and Edward alone (Edward girl here). For me when I was reading the books there were times I wanted to slap both Bella and Jacob I had to remind myself that they were typical 17 year olds. Edward on the other hand has been around a lot longer so he rarely seems like a 17 year old that is what makes him so appealing I think.
Spolier of sorts
Have you read all the books? Breaking Dawn sort of sorts that all out anyway. Jacobs place in Bella and Edwards world and the tie he feels to Bella is explained.
yes, i have...and you?
Sure have and I loved them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beautifull
me too.
i don't know,if i liked Jacob or not before i read Breaking Dawn, then i thought it was cute that he crushed on Renesme(not sure if i spelled it right).
what do you think?
You mean he imprinted. That's a lot different to simply a crush.
Its never a simple, good or bad, not with anything for that matter, but i assume you're quite young so it's understandable - do correct me if i'm wrong.
Jacob adds another dimension to the books, he is able to bring out certain aspects of Bella you might not otherwise see. I'm not going to get all heavy and analyze it much because it's not much to analyze but when Bella falls for Jacob it only confirms that her love for Edward is that much stronger - because she chooses him.
limajean hits the nail right on the head with that one. Bella does love Jacob but it has nothing on her love for Edward and I would goes as far as to say it is not even really love but a deep friendship. I think his character is used to confirm that point for the reader.Quote:
Originally Posted by limajean
Spolier question ahead
Speaking of Breaking Dawn what theories do you have for why Bella was able to control herself so well when she was a new born vampire?
I read Twilight, and "good fluff" is an excellent description. It's entertaining, and if the prose is hit or miss, well, that means that there are hits as well as misses.Quote:
You know, that entire series is good..fluff.
I'm way outside this book's target demographic, but even I think it's pretty good storytelling. It leaves me pondering though... what is the deal with romance and vampires? From Bram Stoker's original, so full of repressed Victorian sexuality, through Buffy The Vampire Slayer and her trials and tribulations with Angel and Spike, and now with the Twilight series, why are vampires and romance (okay, sex) so often... well... bedfellows? I understand that in the world of publishing, there is an entire sub-genre, within the Romance genre, of Vampire Romance.
It's a bit odd.
Reading Twilight, I could imagine parents having fits that their daughters were reading this. It's not just the Forbidden Romance angle. It's that Bella is so... subserviant. She practically celebrates her weakness, her helplessness before this moody, dangerous, beautiful older (!) boy. Reading Twilight, I got the distinct impression that Feminism is dead.
curlyqlink I am way outside the demographic also with this book. I actualy read the first book for our bookclub January read. There is no one in our group under 30 and some a quite a bit older than that and everyone that has read the book so far has loved it. many of us have gone on to read the whole series, I should point out we are all women.
Have you read the rest of the books? I would exactly call Bella subserviant, she is quite strong willed when it suits her. As for Edward being older I don't want to give to much away if you haven't read the other books and are planning on but they actually have more in common than you think when it comes to sex.
The novels are very senual but then most vampire literature is and that is part of their appeal. Really it is the ultimate love story when you think about it you could not get two people more wrong for each other and yet more right for each other if that makes sense. There is one line that sums it up I guess sums it up for me
Edward to Bella "You have no idea how long I have waited for you"
Romance and yes sex sells and with vampires you have the added element of danger and action.
I have read all 4 books just this past week. I saw the movie before I read the books and I am glad that I did. Yes the books are way better than the movie but I liked the movie just because it was visual. When our imagination from the books became pictures and we could see them. I have realized that I am in love with Edward Cullen but in a very different way. I am not in love with his because he is cute, I like him because of what he says and does towards Bella.
Anyways, I do recommend that everyone should read the series because it is an easy read, well wrote book, and a wonderful escape from reality.
Okay, I'm a bit of a forum heavy-weight, I've been around, mainly ghosting, forum heavy-weight nevertheless, and a recent pattern that has emerged, is the hatred of the Twilight series. Yes some of the fans are ... well ****s, perhaps it isn't the best book in the world, but I've felt a lot of hostility towards it. I enjoy reading the likes of Poe and Austen, I can appreciate the quality there, but I like Stephanie Meyer there, why the problem?
I don't want to be starting anything, but I'm just curious. How do you feel about the Twilight series?
It's just that not everybody who contributes to this site are teenagers who have an infantile fixation with vampires, wizards or whatever the current craze happens to be. There have been some interesting threads which have been spoiled by people, some of whom are old enough to know better,who witter on about such irrelevancies as though they had some genuine literary value. Having survived the Harry Potter syndrome, it looks as though we are going to be subjected to posts discussing the love life of a teenage vampire.Quote:
Originally Posted by twilight661
The only reason I know anything about Twilight is because posts about it are already beginning to infect the forum.
Perhaps Lit Net should run a junior forum for this kind of stuff.
Because this is a literature website. Whilst Twilight is a nice story, seeing girls drooling over card board cut out vampires at bookstores isn't something i want to see.
And to be honest - there is such great work out there, that it seems a shame most young people aren't exposed to it.
I'm not too old to like Twilight, I'm too creative to allow myself to bathe in third-rate drivel. Many of my friends read the books - but [spoiler] when a pregnant woman has to become a vampire to stop her half-breed demonchild fetus from eating its way out of her stomach [/spoiler] I draw the line. That's just silly nonsense, not creativity.
Also, im a big fan of "traditional" Vampire characters.
So reading Twilight kind of annoyed me.
I actually read the first book because I take it upon myself to understand these phenomena. I didn't like it. First of all on a sentence-by-sentence basis the writing is bad. Second of all there is no character development. I don't like books where the main character is so flat and without flavor that the reader just projects herself onto her, which soon becomes an emotional ride when this thing she's projected herself on starts lusting for a vampire. It seems to me just a cheap trick. Third, it's indistinguishable from a soap opera other than all the dressy vampire elements. Really, the way all of the characters behaved was sappily unrealistic and the dialog made me role my eyes. There are too many books that are enjoyable for me to bother with an entire series that makes me cringe.
I look it as a popular phenomenon, a phase, similiar to high grossing movies like Spider-Man or Transformers, or the constant pop-drivel in music. The majority of these artistic creations (because you can't really just dismiss Twilight as not being an artistic creation), don't stand up to analysis. That's to be expected. The majority of people are not film critics, music critics, or, especially not, literary critics.Quote:
Originally Posted by twilight661
My friends and family (especially my parents) often say that I'm too critical in how I view art, but I don't very well understand how I am to appreciate and judge a given work of art without criticizing it.
To me, the claim that books like Twilight aren't meant to be taken that seriously is a cop-out. You can't say something is impervious to critical analysis, and then wonder why no one in the so-called-literary elite doesn't like it.
It is one thing to enjoy a crappy novel. For a fact, I've enjoyed at least one or two genre books that I bought from a grocery store. But this is a literary forum. If you want to know why everyone is panning Twilight, it is because the nature of this forum is to discuss, in earnest, literature. This doesn't mean just a passive "Oh I liked that part" discussion, but involves looking beyond just the picturesque surface.
For awhile, i thought i could escape twilight via these forums.
But here it is...
Ive read and seen interviews with stephanie and it seems like she doesnt even know much about her own characters, as if she never really developed them.
Most of the time it seems like she just pulled her answers from thin air because she had to give an answer.
To me it's OK.
I read Twilight but not any of the sequels because the first book didn't do the elusive 'it' for me.
If you like it though, go on and like it. I, for one, have plenty of guilty pleasures of my own :)
Me too...
i have a collection of sci fi books that would make you die laughing..
It occurred to me that if I and some like-minded people were to dig up Bram Stoker's body and drive a stake through the heart, we might exorcise the whole vampire thing once and for all but, would you believe it?, he was cremated.
Thanks MattG. I love the twilight series actually and I am by no means a teenager and they are not my only guilty pleasures either;)Quote:
Originally Posted by MattG
I won't go so far as to say the writing is good. There is some really terrible sentence structure and a TON of grammatical errors, but for some reason I was completely sucked in by them.
Sadly, I put Anna Karenina aside to read them haha. I wanted some fluff for my Christmas break, and I thoroughly enjoyed them.
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Originally Posted by twilight661
I've been sitting here, trying to work out what the * are covering and have not been able to figure it out :[
I'm tired. i'm sunburnt. my brain is fried. I blame it on that.
I find it interesting ( and funny ) that people , and i see this a lot, will say something like..
Oh i read "such and such" i mean i KNOW it doesn't compare to an author like AUSTEN.
Austen austen austen austen, enough about austen. Why austen?
It's almost becoming to the point where anyone can call themselves part of the "literature culture" because they've read Pride and Prejudice.
Sadly, the same has come of Shakespeare.
It really shows that you haven't read a whole lot of literature when people use Austen to constantly compare novels too, ( from what i have discovered anyway )
Austen wasn't even that great...
I agree with you in some ways. Jane Austen does tend to be the writer that people claim they read in an attempt to sound impressive, though I think to read her work and to study and interpret it are two different things. That's what makes her work stand apart from something like the Twilight series- Pride and Prejudice holds literary merit because there is something to be learned through it's reading, while Twilight is purely for entertainment. It's the same thing with Shakespeare. Anyone can plough through old english verse and say they've "read" it, but that doesn't mean that they have actually gained or learned from it, as one should from good literature.Quote:
Originally Posted by limajean
Another novel that people do the same thing with is "Catcher in the Rye". I know so many people who want to give the impression that they are well-read and so claim that this is their favourite work. It just happens to be standard high school fare...Now that doesn't mean that it isn't good, just that it's more widely read.
I don't think it's fair though to say that by comparing a work to one of Austen's, that person hasn't read anything else.
don't forget to mention her knack for creating well-developed characters. what's so funny is when i finished reading the first book, i almost thought it was real. :lol:
i agree with PAM. you should read it.
but i'm kind of scared to watch the movie.
You're kidding right?
well developed?
please... she couldn't even develop the skills to write, how could she possibly develop characters?
No i didnt mean to make it sound like that, i'm making reference to the people i personally have spoken to.
I wasnt meaning anyone on this board, it just made me think of people i know who refer to austen frequently, when she was mentioned.
is there a hater in the house?
It wouldn't be much of a discussion if we all agreed, would it?
And believe me, if you're going to talk about Twilight here - there will be more than just myself, who will have something negative to say about it.
It's a good story, but Stephanie Meyer is a terrible writer.
why do you say that?
what do you recommend as a good writer if not Stephenie?
(and good point about the discussion.;) )
:lol:yeah, just give me emmett and you got yourself a deal!:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Anza
Because it's true?
Like i said, good story teller - but not a good writer. Just because someone can do what i'm doing right now "writing", doesn't make them a good writer.
Well, i don't know you as a person, so i can't really answer that.. so i'll just list some of my favourites.
Crime and Punishment
Watership Down
The Fountainhead
Only Revolutions
House of Leaves
The Most Dangerous Game
The Virgin Suicides
In Cold Blood
The Wind up Bird Chronicle
After Dark
Interview with the Vampire
We have all been there :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by limajean
what do you say writing is then? she decribed her plot pretty well, she had a well developed setting and characters, what is she missing?
twice in a row:lol:
She rambled, even then that wasn't worth reading. Her use of descriptive language is poor. Her structure is poor. Her characters are flat, predictable, all revealed in the first line of introducing them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beautifull
But hey - like i said good story
have you read her other book(that's not part of the series) yet?
now that's my favorite book. you might say the same thing about this one too, but the first time i read that one, i was surprised in some parts, mad in others, and cried tears of joy and sadness for the last part of the book.
you should read it if you haven't, it's called "the Host"
i couldn't put it down.
well, i gotta go, but i hope to talk with you again, and discuss...topics.
I got a chance to read the first two chapters of Twilight,and I should say it attracks my eyeball.:)
I read some of it but I wasn't very interested. Maybe it's just me...
Is the movie "Twilight" just about the first book,or is it the whole thing?In the library here I have found only "Breaking Dawn" but I'm not really sure if it's any good.I also found "The Host" but I'm not sure for that either.Since my finances are a bit low for the moment and I'm trying to save,I'm thinking about making some arrangements like reading classics online and buyng only what really catches my eye...
I see:) It was still an interesting point to make.Quote:
Originally Posted by limajean