Thoughts on Atheism

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Originally Posted by monellia

That contradicts the definition of agnostic. Agnosticism relates to the disbelief in definite beliefs, so how can an agnostic believe or disbelieve in God? What, then, is the difference between an agnostic theist and a non-agnostic theist?

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The definitions of all words contradict the essence of reality, but I am the only one saying that.

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Originally Posted by Noisms

She isn't right. See my post above.



You're confusing nontheism with atheism. Nontheism (a form of agnosticism) is the lack of belief in a God. (That's what babies have.) Atheism is the belief that there isn't a God. (Without-God-Ism, which babies don't have but some adults do.)

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Why do you tell everyone they don't know what the words they're using mean? That's mean. And then when they post it from m-w.com or something, you say there's another word in there of which they don't know the meaning, like magnanimous or something.

2 a : a disbelief in the existence of deity b : the doctrine that there is no deity

So it can be disbelief or belief in no deity.

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Originally Posted by NikolaiI

Why do you tell everyone they don't know what the words they're using mean? That's mean. And then when they post it from m-w.com or something, you say there's another word in there of which they don't know the meaning, like magnanimous or something.

2 a : a disbelief in the existence of deity b : the doctrine that there is no deity

So it can be disbelief or belief in no deity.

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Didn't I agree to disagree with you the other day? In which case, why are you sticking your oar in again?

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Originally Posted by PrinceMyshkin

Your concept that "the agnostic can be either a theist or an atheist" delights me and is an eye-opener.

In the end the battle amongst us, I think, is between

1) Those whose posture is I know what I know and I don't need or want to know anything else, and

2) Those who believe or hope for certain things but whose posture is Most of the really important questions have yet to be answered for me.

A problem I have with 1) is that their I know what I know is a mistranslation of I believe what I believe, and it is, I believe, a fatal flaw in their thought-process to confuse the two.

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I'd agree with that. The problem is that everybody has a tendency to see people with opposing views as belonging to category 1 rather than category 2!

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Originally Posted by Noisms

Didn't I agree to disagree with you the other day? In which case, why are you sticking your oar in again?

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Eh? It's open to everyone. You ignored me.

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Originally Posted by NikolaiI

Eh? It's open to everyone. You ignored me.

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No, I posted saying I agreed to disagree with you.

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Originally Posted by Noisms

She isn't right. See my post above.



You're confusing nontheism with atheism. Nontheism (a form of agnosticism) is the lack of belief in a God. (That's what babies have.) Atheism is the belief that there isn't a God. (Without-God-Ism, which babies don't have but some adults do.)

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Oh, please, no word plays. The exactly meaning of words basead on greek language will destroy the meaning of several words. There is no Nontheism, there is atheism and it means lack of faith in religion. Evidently, everyone is born with the capacity of faith but no one is born with the believe in the cultural being such as god, Zeus, buda, brama, etc.
And it is easy to say that atheists hold a more logical belief than theist since they do demand a logical evidence when a theist is happy with the illogical feeling of faith. I would never say that one is superior to the other just because of that.

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Originally Posted by Noisms

No, I posted saying I agreed to disagree with you.

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Just now? Really?

atheism? I try not to believe in it