9/11 - Where Were You?

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Originally Posted by Vonny

I think Wicca is a New Age feminist fad.

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You were the first person to mention watered-down wicca. I was talking about witchcraft, which has many branches within every culture ever known and predates wicca by a few thousand years. It has a lot more punch. If you called Aleister Crowly a feminist, he'd probably die all over again (after trying to have sex with you, of course - it was kind of his thing). There's a lot about the history of ritualistic magic and how it was adapted for a Christian society that most people are completely unaware of, which is a shame because it's unbelievably cool. Especially African slave magic, hoodoo and the like - that's my favorite after the Golden Dawn kabbalistic stuff.

I know all about witchcraft after a lifetime with my mom. She's also not a feminist. But after being on the receiving end of it, I don't care to engage in witchcraft myself.

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Originally Posted by OrphanPip

Personally, I don't want to be associated with it anyway. Plus, Canada as a place name and national identity predates the formation of the United States, since it was the name of the French colony that is now Quebec.

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Yeah, most Canadians would be angry if they were to visit Europe or something and the people called us "American." We don't want the association, so I don't know what JBI's on about.

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Originally Posted by Vonny

I know all about witchcraft after a lifetime with my mom. She's also not a feminist.

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Is she the one who convinced you that there are people out there who worship satan, sacrifice babies and are trying to steal your cat?

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Originally Posted by stlukesguild

There is nothing that needs fixing.

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Don't be so quick to dismiss people's feelings, Luke. JBI brings up a valid point. All this time, we've callously made the mistake of calling him a Canadian when he shares the same terra firma, breathes the same air as ourselves. Well, no more. Going forward, from this day forth, JBI is as American as you or me, and I'm not going to call him anything else. Calling him a Canadian now would just be an insult.

As an honorary American you are now officially $47,000 in debt, bad at math, and the target of terrorists who hate you. Don't be afraid. That feeling that's overwelming you right now is just freedom. You'll get used to that.

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Originally Posted by mortalterror

Don't be so quick to dismiss people's feelings, Luke. JBI brings up a valid point. All this time, we've callously made the mistake of calling him a Canadian when he shares the same terra firma, breathes the same air as ourselves. Well, no more. Going forward, from this day forth, JBI is as American as you or me, and I'm not going to call him anything else. Calling him a Canadian now would just be an insult.

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:smilielol5: Perfect.

Hereabouts, we say "US-Americans", "Canadians", "Brazilians", "Mexicans" and so on.

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Originally Posted by JuniperWoolf

Is she the one who convinced you that there are people out there who worship satan, sacrifice babies and are trying to steal your cat?

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15459377...cat-adoptions/


Here is an article about the cats in my state.

Black cat and white bunny adoptions are halted before Halloween. I'm sure there are Satanists who sacrifice animals. Of the people I know, no one disputes it.

Why don't we drop this now.

I was twenty years, far from home, in the South of France, at the harvest of the grapes. At the end of the labor, the proprietor came to us and said the US had been attacked, that a part of New York had been destroyed, and that there could be millions of victims. “Attacked by who? – We are not sure. Probably the Arabs.” It was unbelievable. I was shocked, horrified. We said it was the beginning of WW3. Then I called my parents, who explained to me the situation, the crash of the planes, the apocalyptic atmosphere in New York. After the dinner, I asked the proprietor to buy the newspapers (he had the TV but we were not allowed to watch it), and, the following days, I could follow the events. Then the life went on… At least the other guys and girls did not talk much about it. Ten days later, back to home, I could eventually see the images at the television.

Sunday, I heard Kevin Cosgrove’s last call. It made me cry. During the night I dreamed of accidents and big holes. Monday, I woke up with his final scream in my ears.

I just went to youtube and listened to Kevin Cosgrove.........

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Originally Posted by Vonny

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15459377...cat-adoptions/


Here is an article about the cats in my state.

Black cat and white bunny adoptions are halted before Halloween.

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This article is pointing out the foolishness of the shelter's reaction to an urban legend for which there is no proof and which hurts animals by inhibiting their adoption. That you put so much thought into it and ran away with the idea to suppose that satanists sacrifice children is quite a stretch to say the least, but you did say that this article was your only proof of such practices earlier in this thread and that the idea is something that disturbs you often. Really, talk about unnecessary stress.

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Originally Posted by Vonny

I'm sure there are Satanists who sacrifice animals. Of the people I know, no one disputes it.

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The strange thing is that you discuss it at all, but whatever. For the record, I wouldn't put too much thought into the shadowy practices of unknown people without any proof whatsoever, you know what they say about assumption.

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Originally Posted by Vonny

Why don't we drop this now.

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Consider it dropped.

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Originally Posted by JuniperWoolf

This article is pointing out the foolishness of the shelter's reaction to an urban legend for which there is no proof and which hurts animals by inhibiting their adoption. That you put so much thought into it and ran away with the idea to suppose that satanists sacrifice children is quite a stretch to say the least, but you did say that this article was your only proof of such practices earlier in this thread and that the idea is something that disturbs you often. Really, talk about unnecessary stress.


The strange thing is that you discuss it at all, but whatever. For the record, I wouldn't put too much thought into the shadowy practices of unknown people without any proof whatsoever, you know what they say about assumption.








Consider it dropped.

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That's not what the article said. Some animal activists think that halting adoptions further adds to the stigma of black cats who already have more trouble finding homes than other cats do, and that if proper screenings of potential adopters are done, the cats can still be safely adopted.

The article does say that it is urban legend though. The primary risk to them isn't really "satanic rituals" but punk teenagers using them for pranks. Working in the veterinary field and in animal shelters, I've seen loads of animals abused and mistreated, but none of them by a Satanist. Actually, the cruellest abuses I've seen have been perpetrated by children, from stomping on kittens' heads, deliberately, to breaking a rabbit's back by throwing it against a wall (they also spray painted the animal).

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Originally Posted by Mutatis-Mutandi

It's not solely the fault of Americans that we are called Americans. We aren't, after all, the only nation to refer to us as Americans. Last time I checked, the whole world did.

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Not really, some languages invent new names for us. In Chinese, for instance, (the United States of) America is called "beautiful country."

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Originally Posted by OrphanPip

The article does say that it is urban legend though. The primary risk to them isn't really "satanic rituals" but punk teenagers using them for pranks. Working in the veterinary field and in animal shelters, I've seen loads of animals abused and mistreated, but none of them by a Satanist. Actually, the cruellest abuses I've seen have been perpetrated by children, from stomping on kittens' heads, deliberately, to breaking a rabbit's back by throwing it against a wall (they also spray painted the animal).

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Since the subject continues, yeah, I'm sure this is true about children. I'm sure this is by far the greatest threat. I was so completely opposite as a child that it's hard to imagine, but I've known those kinds of kids. If there are no Satanists out there, I'm really glad.

It's really time to get back into books!