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Originally Posted by subterranean
I thought A.P. meant brain development, physical development of the individual......No?
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Originally Posted by subterranean
I thought A.P. meant brain development, physical development of the individual......No?
That was my understanding too... brain and physical development of an individual... hence the physical disability reference.
Actually you would not believe how much the bible agrees with evolution. take for instance the fruit of knowledge. After Adam and Eve ate of the fruit of knowledge they 'evolved' into knowing good and evil. Also we do not know what Adam and Eve looked like, and how eating of the fruit would affect them physically.
As for the species of man. After Adam and Eve left the garden they had children. LOTS of children. Those children married each other. Because of this inbreeding, the perfect body was no longer perfect. The need for inbreeding happened again after the flood. There was only 8 people left on the planet. This again caused more defects in the human gnome. I believe that this is why we suffer from deformations, and sickness.
Scientologist? Well, it could be interpreted that way, after all Darwin said life was breathed into this mess so...
Baddad, SubT, Scheher:
Yes. Bad and Sche are right, I meant physical and brain developments of the individual. Certain types of disability, imo, leave individuals incapable of moral judgments.
Wow, hear that Sher? We were right! That's one in a row!!!
Yeah A.P., no argument here. There are many people who suffer from debilitating defects (physical development of the brain) who may not be morally responsible for their actions. I really don't see how this could be in dispute.....
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Wow, hear that Sher? We were right! That's one in a row!!!
same god, its use of translation depends on the context through which GOD is working.Quote:
Originally Posted by atiguhya padma
someone said the OT and more specifically the book of Genesis does not suggest one God. Soooo much the opposite. "I am the Alpha and the Omega..."
sound familiar. God renounces all others in Genesis and claims himself to be the only true God in the face of these false gods. Jesus would later reacclimate this saying the very same.
Funny how God's first commandment of "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" leaves the possibility that there are in fact other gods than God, but you could always just read it as "there aren't any other gods and God is it." Considering it's a commandment though, seems kind of silly to reiterate the facts rather than command them not to believe in other gods, so who knows..
Sure, I may not believe there are any gods, but if there were going to be some out there it'd probably be more than one, if any, just to make it interesting. There's a higher probability of +1 gods than ~1, but considering the probability of any gods is just as probable, suppose I'm working under odd contexts.
If we are not mistaken, then it is believed that it could have probably meant something like that one mustn't worship other gods. They knew that there were other gods and stuff, but as time went by it is believed that people misunderstood the text and started to think that the other gods did not exist.
So, that possibility to interpret this commandment like there were other gods is actually not funny but it is believed to be closer to the original meaning than the interpretation that there are no other gods.
Of course, because this text was written in so distant past, everything is very hazy indeed, but this is believed to be closer to the original meaning.
I'm not sure if I got you right, but did you say that Adam and Eve are fallen angels? If so, where did you get this idea from? Also, where did these other humans come from? Genisus does not mention God creating any humans other than Adam and Eve, so in order for Adam and Eve to "marry" humans would imply that either God or Satan created other humans outside of Eden.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adelheid
I personally don't agree with a litteral interpretation of the Bible, but there are limits to where you can guess as to what it implied happened. I equate the Bible to all other works of mythology. It's an interesting read and teaches a few morals along the way.
Going with the idea of "sin." Even the Bible leaves room for some grey areas:
For example, one must honor (obey) their parents, but what if the parents are "sinful" and want their child to murder for them. This would be an instance in which sin and good are part of the same answer. If the person chose to obey his parents, he would be sinful against his victim. However, if the person chose to disobey his parents, he would be sinful against his parents but do good by not murdering.
So, God litterally stopped creating after the sixth day? Yes, incest would cause differences between humans. And really, if you are going to talk about why we have different races today (and want to use the bible) you have to move ahead in the bible to the flood story. According to the bible, Noah starts the human family tree. I happen to find the idea that god would knowingly create a situation where humans would be forced to interbreed hilarious. It's like he wanted genitic problems to exist. After all, He is claimed to be all knowing, he would know what was going to happen.
Back to evolution. Do you really think that this interbreeding is why we find fossils of hominoid species that can be sequentially laid out along a time line up to our own time? Think about it, it doesn't make sense.
Maybe God created us in his own image, and that image was similar to that of apes. There is little difference between man and ape especially on a genetic level. Over time the huminid that is now man evolved in a separate direction from other apes of the time. If you look into what we know about evolution, this is a possibility. But maybe you don't like the idea that we came from apes.
I think man also shares 98% of his/her genetic code with mice (among other creatures). These remarkable similarities between so many disparate species in earth says more about evolution, a creation from the sole resources of the planet than it does about a god creating the human species. Evolution is all about working with what you have, and 'generously alike' genetic codes indicates to me a similar source of resources, namely the earth.
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Originally Posted by Dyrwen
My "translation" of this commandment is that it doesn't have to be another god. I think what it means that you don't put anything infront of him. I'm not sure how to describe this. You could put lets say music, (I love music don't get me wrong) in front of God. That is all you care about and all you live for. You are putting this object or whatever before him. So yeah, I tryed.
It is actually high time that Christians embrace evolution. Christianity and Evolution are not mutually exclusive. Genesis can certainly be read, and quite reasonably, as a metaphor for what science supports as the actual history of our universe/world. Furthermore, God having caused evolution to occur, could have still sent a son to sacrifice to the sinners of the world. (Do note, in case you are unfamiliar with my frequent posts concerning christianity, I am not a christian.)
Shunning evolution, and clinging to the asinine belief that the world is no more than 10,000 years old, only causes the learned community to disregard Christian beliefs as unfounded and outrageous, and Christianity as no more than a highly successful cult.
Science is not a collection of "flaming darts" shot from the sling of the "evil one." It is science. It is mathematical. Christ or no Christ, God gave man a rational mind, and may in fact be quite offended if we were to shun the use thereof.
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"With the MBBT, the sun is created prior to the earth. With the Bible, the earth is created prior to the sun. The same goes with the moon and stars. With the MBBT these bodies didn’t evolve until much later in history. With the creation account in Genesis, they were created on the following day...
grass, trees, and flowers were made on day three, whereas the sun, moon, and stars were made on day four."
-Jonathan Sampson
(MBBT- Modern Big Bang Theory)