Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

As I mentioned in the opening of my above post that life is one of constant never ending change. However, what is not realised by so many is that change has also brought about the pace of change.

In the early days of human existence, change was slow and related far more to nature. In nature, as with a stone in natural situ, even today, the change if left only to the normal elements is imperceptible in a persons lifetime - and beyond.

However, as the mind of man has developed (not destroyed) he (this includes she) has innovated, and brought forth from his imagination developments that have chain reacted by cause and effect to increase the pace by which change has brought about further change.

We have always been limited only really by our ability to think, imagine, and communicate our thoughts and findings.

Books, and printing, increased the pace at which records could be made and circulated.

Then we had the telephone, and the computer - the latter still in its infancy.

To illustrate my point. From what I have read, the use of fire was known to homo sapiens about one and a half million years ago. But some historians say that it took over a million years before he started to rub two sticks together, and spread the word by 'monkey see, monkey do'.

Yet the humble match was not even known at the time of the American Revolution. In fact, the match was not invented until the early 19th century.

Think of the very highly sophisticated inventions that have occurred over the past 100 years, the past fifty years. Think, as change gathers pace, and computers provide much of the 'thinking' for man, and transfers this thought at ever increasing speeds - HOW WILL LIFE BE IN ANOTHER FIFTY YEARS?

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Originally Posted by Nymo

We are nothing more than like a bunch of insects put into a jar by a larger being who watches. When we were few we were as mindful as an ant with a purpose relying on his instincts, but now are swarms in turmoil feeding off each other and the crumbs that are left. Deluded that we are that larger being and have wisdom and yet we can not see beyond that which holds us. In our mindless pursuits we are merely clawing at the glass and the words that come from our breath is fogging our vision to see clearly.

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Nymo,

Thanks for your views.

Humans have spent more than 99% of their time on earth in non-industrial societies.

Non-industrial society destroys ecosystems for food, clothing and shelter.
Industrial society destroys ecosystems for food, clothing and shelter plus thousands of unnecessary consumer goods.

Industrial society destroys necessary things - animals, trees, air, water and land for making unnecessary things - consumer goods.

Non-industrial societies have sustained on earth for thousands of years.
Industrial society has destroyed all ecosystems within 200 - 250 years.


"Growth Rate" - "Economy Rate" - "GDP"

These are figures of "Ecocide".
These are figures of "crimes against Nature".
These are figures of "destruction of Ecosystems".
These are figures of "Insanity, Abnormality and Criminality".


Destroy consumerism......before it is too late.

Destroy Industrial Society......before it is too late.

Just do it.


sushil_yadav

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Originally Posted by NikolaiI

We are killing the environment. Somewhat recently the first species of animal went extinct thanks specifically to global warming, a snail.

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The earth has been warming and cooling for millions of years, causing extinction to many species of animals, plants, and other life forms. If you're trying to say that man-induced global warming has caused the extinction of this snail, there is hardly enough correlation to prove whether we are causing the warming, or if it's a natural cycle with irregularities in sun activity.

My apologies, I got a little sidetracked.


I have one posing question for your article sushil:

In the test you'd wish to perform, how do you propose to measure the intensity of the emotions? This is qualitative data, and science relies on quantitative data. Even finding a chemical correlation would not ensure accurate results.

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Originally Posted by Adopt

I have one posing question for your article sushil:

In the test you'd wish to perform, how do you propose to measure the intensity of the emotions? This is qualitative data, and science relies on quantitative data. Even finding a chemical correlation would not ensure accurate results.

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Adopt,

Thanks for your post.

The experiments I have proposed are primarily meant for those people who understand only the language of science. We don't need experiments to understand that our present lifestyle is destroying our Minds and Environment - the evidence is everywhere - left, right and center. The craze and fetish for science and scientific proof has mainly existed for the last 50 - 100 years. People have lived on this planet for thousands of years without needing scientific proof to understand something. It is Science and Technology that created the consumerist Industrial Society which has led to the destruction of Nature/ Environment and restlessness of mind. Who needs more science or more scientific proof. Science is not the solution - Science is the problem.

Some people demand proof of everything. They won't accept anything without proof. How do people accept their father as their father? Where is the proof?
Scientific proof comes from DNA testing. How many people have got the DNA test conducted?

Two things that have destroyed Environment are - Overpopulation and Overconsumerism. Science and Technology is responsible for both these problems. World population was less than 1 billion in the year 1800. Nature had its way of controlling population through disease and death caused by bacteria and virus. When man made medicines/ antibiotics he created disaster - population increased very rapidly. In the absence of "Industrial Agriculture" the feeding capacity of soil would have kept population under control. If Industrial Revolution had not happened, environmental destruction due to production of consumer goods would not exist. In the absence of Science, Technology and "Industrial Revolution" we would not be facing the two problems that have caused destruction of ecosystems - overpopulation and overconsumerism.

Science is not the solution - Science is the problem.

sushil_yadav

This allergy or kind of antipathy to science is a baseless obsession and not anything to take pride in in point of fact. Science is not to blame and it is indeed we human beings that make misuse of it.

Science is homogeneously consistent with the evolution of man, and man keeps on evolving eternally.

Now you would be in a cave if there was no science. And if we choose to be cave men and argue for that kind of life we are simply hypocritically behaving.

Like it or not, materialism is the result of 18th century's "philosophical discoveries".

Only just, I went through reading Chastellux's "An Essay on Public Happiness: Investigating the State of Human Nature...". (1772)

It was mainly he who inspired Franklin, Washington and Jefferson,advising them to deviate from greek and roman philosophy and be at ease with their "wealth", the result of "new territory"and "science unlimited" combined.

We suffer and live a stressful life owing to civilization and industrialization.

For several decades environmentalists have been warning modern society that ecosystems are getting destroyed - that consumerist lifestyle is not sustainable.

But modern society which was busy chasing progress, growth and development did not listen. It refused to believe there was any environmental crisis or problem. It said science and technology will always find a solution - if earth gets destroyed we will move on to another planet.

Impossible dreams were sold to people in the name of science and technology.

Moving to another planet would probably rank as the most impossible of all impossible things.

One space shuttle exploded during take off - another exploded on the return journey.

So far man has not been able to go beyond the moon. There is no other life sustaining ecosystem/ planet within the solar system. Outside the solar system planets and galaxies are millions of light years away - billions of light years away.

So when are we moving to a new home ?

Next year - or 5 years later ?


sushil_yadav


Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

I read most of this post and I think it is interesting but everyone knows that the past is the past. There is no going back right now. I bet there isn't one person out there on this web site that doesn't have A/C or a Television. We all have a choice to use them and we all choose to. We are spoiled and have lost faith in the simple things in life. Basically we live to die and let it hurry up. This is so sad for anyone to feel that way. All we have to do is slow down and enjoy the simple things. We all have the power to do it if we want to. Question is can you go a day without driving or watching TV. Better than that turn the A/C off on a hot summer day. I bet you only last a couple hours or until you start to sweat.

I work as supervisor running industrial projects, I have a lot time dealing with the younger generation. Most refuse to work outdoors to make good money. I have to hire Mexicans to complete jobs because I can't get our youth to do them. This is a major problem because we have became too educated and figure we don't have do but what we want to do. The Media doesn't help this by only broadcasting the bad in us all. We need a time of hardships to get us up to do the right things again. Let me say this hard work never hurt no one, try cutting your own grass for a change. See the outcome, it can be over whelming to watch plants grow. This is our ego system and you can't experence it from a book. Face it life will always go on and people will exist through out time. It is a matter of how we live that is at stake. I feel at sometime we will convert back to the ways of old, it will be because of necessity, not because anyone's wants it.

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Originally Posted by Bruce Bradley

I feel at sometime we will convert back to the ways of old, it will be because of necessity, not because anyone's wants it.

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Originally Posted by blazeofglory

We suffer and live a stressful life owing to civilization and industrialization.

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Industrial Society has been spreading blatant lies over the years.

"Green Industry", "Green Technology", "Ethical Consumerism", "Sustainable Development".

These are contradictory terms – these are oxymorons.
Industrialization can never be green – it is impossible.

You cannot save a person after you have killed him.
You cannot save ecosystems after you have killed them for making consumer goods.


When we make consumer goods we kill Animals, Trees, Air, Water and Land - directly or indirectly.

Industrial Society destroys ecosystems - all Industrial Societies destroy ecosystems.

It hardly matters whether it is "Capitalist Industrial Society" - "Communist Industrial Society" - or "Socialist Industrial Society".

Industrial Society destroys ecosystems at every stage of its functioning - when consumer goods are produced - when consumer goods are used - when consumer goods are discarded/ recycled.

Raw material for industry is obtained by cutting up Forests. It is extracted by mining/ digging up the earth. It comes by destroying/ killing Trees, Animals and Land.

Industries/ Factories use Water. The water that comes out of Factories is contaminated with hundreds of toxic chemicals. What to speak of Rivers - entire Oceans have been polluted. Industry kills Water.

Industries/ Factories burn millions of tonnes of fuel - and when raw material is melted/ heated up, hundreds of toxic chemicals are released into the atmosphere. Industry kills Air.

Industrial Society has covered millions of square miles of land with cement and concrete. Industry kills Land.

When consumer goods are discarded/ thrown away in landfills it again leads to destruction of ecosystems.

When consumer goods are recycled, hundreds of toxic chemicals are released into air, water and land.

Consumer goods are sold/ marketed through a network of millions of kilometers of rail / road network and shipping routes which causes destruction of all ecosystems that come in the way.


We have limited resources/ ecosystems on earth which is just 40,000 km in circumference.

If we destroy ecosystems for fewer things [food, clothing, shelter] the ecosystems will last longer.

If we destroy ecosystems for more things [consumer goods] the ecosystems will finish much sooner.

The fewer things we make the more sustainable we are.

This is common sense - plain common sense - which the so called smart, intelligent, advanced, civilized and developed Industrial Society does not possess.


We are alive because of ecosystems - we owe our very existence to ecosystems.

Industrial Society has destroyed most ecosystems within a span of 250 years after Industrial Revolution.

Industrial Society has destroyed necessary things [animals, trees, air, water and land] for making unnecessary things [consumer goods].

Ecosystems are not consumer goods that can be manufactured, repaired or restored by MultiNational Companies in industries and factories.

The collapse has already happened for millions of other species. Most of them have been decimated.

Very soon it will be the turn of man to go.


sushil_yadav

Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

It's not entirely impossible, it's at least theoretically possible to run everything on solar power... we may have to produce less, and you are right that we should be more careful.

The root of everything is living sumptuously and harnessing resources beyond capacities.

Industrialization is leveraged owing to the philosophy that greed is a virtue.

I'll put forward one solution seen as though theres hardly been a dearth- Giant trees. Trees give us the things we really need, air, food, shelter, medicine, they give life to all things. We could do worse than live in societies with as many trees as possible, perhaps genetically enhance them to improve air output but who knows. Ginat trees, yeah :smash: order, order.

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Originally Posted by sushil_yadav

For several decades environmentalists have been warning modern society that ecosystems are getting destroyed - that consumerist lifestyle is not sustainable.

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I hope you're still a member here, because I haven't seen this thread previously, and you raise a most interesting topic.

I think your thinking is a little flawed, and if you reply, I'll be glad to go through that.

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Originally Posted by sushil_yadav

But modern society which was busy chasing progress, growth and development did not listen. It refused to believe there was any environmental crisis or problem. It said science and technology will always find a solution - if earth gets destroyed we will move on to another planet.

Impossible dreams were sold to people in the name of science and technology.

Moving to another planet would probably rank as the most impossible of all impossible things.

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Oddly enough, I hear this view espoused by several otherwise intelligent people and I do find it incredible that anyone is stupid enough to think this is possible.

It's taken us 40 years of "space travel" to land a few blokes on the moon, get one telescope working and nearly build an international space station which might work.

Aside from the logistics of keeping a breeding population alive for probably hundreds of years, humans aren't designed to live in zero-G, and that will require either forced anatomical evolution, or artificial gravity.

I agree - probably the most laughable suggestion ever.

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Originally Posted by sushil_yadav

Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

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Originally Posted by blazeofglory

The root of everything is living sumptuously and harnessing resources beyond capacities.

Industrialization is leveraged owing to the philosophy that greed is a virtue.

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Mammon is the real god.

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Originally Posted by blazeofglory

The root of everything is living sumptuously and harnessing resources beyond capacities.

Industrialization is leveraged owing to the philosophy that greed is a virtue.

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Originally Posted by The Atheist

I hope you're still a member here, because I haven't seen this thread previously, and you raise a most interesting topic.

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What is most amazing about the issue of sustainability is the fact that modern society is trying to sustain the unsustainable - it is trying to sustain a consumerist system which has existed for almost zero percent of human existence on earth. The present consumerist lifestyle has existed for about 100 years. If we compare this with the total duration of human existence on earth it comes to almost zero percent.

Economy is a non-issue. Environment is important. Economy will not even exist without environment. Humans will not even exist without environment.

Modern society has plunged to extreme depths of insanity.

Modern society thinks it can be sustainable while it continues producing thousands of consumer goods.

Modern society thinks a peaceul world is possible while it continues to sell billions of tonnes of weapons all over the world.

Modern society thinks cancer can be cured while it continues flooding the ecosystems with thousands of carcinogens.

On a small planet which is just 40,000 km in circumference the first rule of sustainability is - destroy less.

We destroy ecosystems for food - for clothing - for shelter - and for thousands of consumer goods.

The less we destroy - the more sustainable we are.

The fewer things we make - the more sustainable we are.

On a small planet like earth only a non-consumerist society can be sustainable - only a society that destroys ecosystems for food, clothing, shelter[and health care] can be sustainable.



When something goes wrong with our cars, computers and aeroplanes, we contact the manufacturer to know how they could be repaired - where they could be repaired.

All ecosystems on earth are getting destroyed moment by moment. To repair, restore and regenerate them we need to contact the manufacturer. But where is the manufacturer of ecosystems? There is no human manufacturer - There are no multiNational Companies that manufactured rivers and oceans, fertile soil, forests, millions of species, millions of members in millions of species, arctic ice and other glaciers.

About 30 years ago most people refused to believe that arctic ice was melting or could melt in future.

Then satellite pictures started appearing and provided proof with "before and after" pictures. People reluctantly accepted that ice was melting - but were still not alarmed. They said it would take hundreds of years - thousands of years for ice to melt to a dangerous level.

If we compare satellite pictures of arctic ice of this year with those taken 30 years ago we would know how alarming the situation is.

Every ecosystem is in grave danger. The doomsday scenario is approaching hundreds of times faster than predicted earlier. The signs - the indicators are already there - the recent climate changes - the extreme weather conditions - droughts, floods, fires, hurricanes and typhoons. The collapse has already happened for millions of other species - they have been decimated. Human collapse is very near - just around the corner.


sushil_yadav
Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment