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Robin, mon ami, you know I believe in a Ceator. I also believe that church is where you should learn about the Bible, science class is where you learn about science, for I also believe in Evolution. Your political cartoon was priceless. Kind of puts things in perspective, doesn't it? :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by RobinHood3000
Words to live by. :nod:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Unnamable
Indeed it does, amigo!Quote:
Originally Posted by Pendragon
Wow 'boiled alive in chip fat'. Tasty. The next big thing in Burger King. It's always a delight to listen to the apostles of evolutionary theory pontificate about fossils and Lucys and missing links and the latest mumbo-jumboism of science which can neither save their mortal flesh nor satisfy their (almost invisible) immortal souls. I dig your crazy handles coves. By the way what Mr Voltaire really said was 'As long as people eat KFC, chickens will be roasted' A bad translation again. Responsible for several atrocities.
Sorry, this was brought up very early in the thread, but nobody challenged it and I can't let it slip by. Alberta Einstien absolutely did not believe in God. 'God' (capitalized) means Yahweh. The Judeo-Christian fellow. To let Einstein speak for himself:Quote:
Originally Posted by virgil
So no, Albert Einstein did not believe in God. He was a deist, at best. I do not post this as a sort of atheist apologetics piece, I am merely very very sick of hearing "well Einstein believe in God, so you should to", as if that was a valid argument, or even true. Needless to say, my patience has already been expired with this sort of silliness: http://snopes.com/religion/einstein.asp. *Sigh*. Oh well, moving on:Quote:
The man who is thoroughly convinced of the universal operation of the law of causation cannot for a moment entertain the idea of a being who interferes in the course of events provided, of course, that he takes the hypothesis of causality really seriously. He has no use for the religion of fear and equally little for social or moral religion. A God who rewards and punishes is inconceivable to him for the simple reason that a man's actions are determined by necessity, external and internal, so that in God's eyes he cannot be responsible, any more than an inanimate object is responsible for the motions it undergoes. Science has therefore been charged with undermining morality, but the charge is unjust. A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hopes of reward after death.
See, this is why the rest of us are concerned about creationism. Thanks to the influence of intelligent design, belief in a theory backed up by absolute mounds of empirical evidence is now looked upon by large sectors of the public as some sort of religion, only without the repect that religion automatically recieves. This sort of thing is exactly why we need to be more educated about evolutionary theory, not less. If ennison (sorry to single you out but, in all fairness, you asked for it) knew a bit more about the theory, he would not be so quick to dismiss the Lucy fossil as 'mumbo-jumboism". The argument that both intelligent design and evolution are both simply a matter of belief, and therefore deserve equal class time, is harmfull to science and education in general. Not all beliefs are created equal, I'm sad to say. My theory that there is a small teapot in orbit around the (dwarf) planet pluto is not on equal footing with your theory that it isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by ennison
Ah 'tis her lack of knowlege of the theory that leads her to dismiss it as just a theory. Lucy was either human or not. Personally I believe she was every bit as human as you or I, maybe even a bit more. No 'missing link' has been found because... well ... it's missing. And what happened several million years ago is not subject to the proof of empirical investigations.
He made the seas;
the dry land too, it was formed by his hands.
Come let us bow down; bending the knee before the God who made us.
No; I don't think it odd that you think God made the universe. I'm puzzled by anyone
who could remotely think otherwise.
Frankly, it's so evident, I find it totally beyond logic, how anyone can think otherwise.
I'm not a zealot. I have a gift. Fear of the Lord
Having said that, this is a family and community matter, it should be outside schools.
I'm Roman Catholic. I declined an excellent job offer in Richmond, Va. in the mid 90's
when I learned a Baptist minister would be giving a commencenet speech at a HS
my childern would eventually attend, should I move there. Although, the minister
might be Christian, it offended me that my children would subjected to a possible
interpretation of scriptures which were not in agreement with my church's teachings.
re-v
Evident? How?
Simply, use your senses.
No. Disregard your senses.
Imagine, no senses. Would not your mother, sister or wife care for you?
re-v
Therein is the eternal question: without the senses, what would we be?
A definitive answer requires, and if such proof exists, then the purpose of faith is undermined. Hence my agnosticism.
Forget sense!
Would not your mother, wife or sister care for you?
I understand if it's too personal a question, and you need not reply.
re-v
A theory, in science, is a hypothesis that so well explains the available empirical evidence so well that it is accepted as fact. Gravity, for example, is 'just a theory'.Quote:
Originally Posted by ennison
Lucy was not a human, but her ancestors are. No, she is not more human than me, it is not logically possible to be more of a homo sapiens than a homo sapiens.Quote:
Originally Posted by ennison
The missing link is not something that you can actually find, it's a request for logically impossible empirical evidence. It can't be found for the same reason that you can't link two points connected on a line by drawing more points on a line, not to the standards of the creationist, anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by ennison
Nothing is 'subject to the proof of empirical investigations'. Proofs happen in mathematics and logic, not in science. There is always room for doubt in empirical evidence. Ask John Locke, who invented the empirical theory of knowledge. Better yet, ask any credible scientist.Quote:
Originally Posted by ennison
I hope so. What in blazes does that have to do with the origins of the universe?Quote:
Originally Posted by alennox21
Can I say somthing?
I belive that certain parts of the evloutionary theory as I have been led to belive it ( I know that grammer is appaling but Ive had a bad day and its 3am so please forgive me) is absurd and totally illogical. For me God is the most logical belief and hence I belive in creationism but I guess Im a bit of a cheat because I also belive in evolution-- that is I belive that evolution is a tool of Creation. that creation is an eternal process.
But then like robin said if we had definate tangibale proof other than that which you see through the lens of faith, faith in it self would be redundant.
I dont think though that absurd beliefs nessiceraly always lead to atrocities it can but thats more than absurd beliefs thats a conviction rather than a belief There are all sorts of harmless absurd beliefs out there. One off the top of my head is never leaving a pair of scisorrs open, as itll bring bad luck ( well actually the superstion is itll ange the jin wholl get back at you).
Um although thats my reactionn too I think I may be wrong here but do you mean alennox21 that forget the senses that you think with and just accept God and then see him as it were?:SQuote:
What in blazes does that have to do with the origins of the universe?
OT: what is re-v??:confused:
It isn't that absurdities always result in atrocities, it's just that atrocities would be impossible without them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nightshade
NO I dont think so it doesnt need an absurd belief to make someone go out and shoot people, thats sorry a bit of an ilogical stament dont you think? It means that people only do things because of beliefs and belief systems. WHile as I see it most people do things in an attempt to get somthing for themselves.