Evolution vs. Creation

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11-29-2005, 04:04 PM
ChuckBukowski

Not every species evolves, species will only evolve when they need to. Modern alligators and crocodiles are much the same as they were millions of years ago because they are able to function quite well in their environments. Also, species dont necessarily evolve drastically. Its like the finches Darwin discovered in the Galapagos, most looked exactly the same except for small variations in the beak structures which enabled one species to better catch insects and another to better crunch seeds. The coelacanth was obviously able to survive in its environment but not necessarily thrive. Conditions for evolution have to be stable for very long periods of time with subtle changes in the environment. Exceptions are organisms that breed at an extremely high rate such as virus, bacteria, dandelions etc. Lucy was a different species. A chimpanzee will never evolve into a human being no matter how long you give it becasue it is a different species. We did not evolve from monkeys, we are our own separate species. It sounds like that chimp you were referring to was the result of a mutation, having an extra or not enough chromosones.
11-29-2005, 04:23 PM
starrwriter

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Originally Posted by ChuckBukowski

Conditions for evolution have to be stable for very long periods of time with subtle changes in the environment ...

Recently-uncovered evidence shows there are two kinds of evolution: slow evolution that takes place over a long period of time and evolutionary leaps in an extremely short time. One example of an evolutionary leap was the increase of human brain size and the consequent development of sophisticated tools, art and language. This occurred about the time of a near-extinction event caused by rapid climate change in Africa 200,000 years ago and eventually led to waves of migration to the Middle East, Europe and Asia.
11-29-2005, 06:36 PM
Pendragon

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Originally Posted by ChuckBukowski

Not every species evolves, species will only evolve when they need to. Modern alligators and crocodiles are much the same as they were millions of years ago because they are able to function quite well in their environments. Also, species dont necessarily evolve drastically. Its like the finches Darwin discovered in the Galapagos, most looked exactly the same except for small variations in the beak structures which enabled one species to better catch insects and another to better crunch seeds. The coelacanth was obviously able to survive in its environment but not necessarily thrive. Conditions for evolution have to be stable for very long periods of time with subtle changes in the environment. Exceptions are organisms that breed at an extremely high rate such as virus, bacteria, dandelions etc. Lucy was a different species. A chimpanzee will never evolve into a human being no matter how long you give it becasue it is a different species. We did not evolve from monkeys, we are our own separate species. It sounds like that chimp you were referring to was the result of a mutation, having an extra or not enough chromosones.

Thank you, Chuck. You have confirmed the point I've been trying in my feeble way to say. Species don't evolve into other species. But each species evolves in order to adapt to changes in environment. This is survival of the fittest, and why there are different kinds of the same species, the old "different strokes for different folks." :) Yeah, as I said, the chimp was tested and found to have an extra chromosone, that one in a million, possible, but not probable.
11-30-2005, 04:03 AM
rhei_27

evolution or creation? I was raised to believe on creation rather than evolution. My parents disagree with the evolution theory. I have to admit that evolution is a plausible theory. Besides, do you really believe that we came from apes...that we originated from them. We may have some resemblance but it is not enough. Another thing, where did those apes came from? Now, Creation comes in...
I have a firm stand on creation...
11-30-2005, 12:22 PM
starrwriter

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Originally Posted by rhei_27

...do you really believe that we came from apes...that we originated from them. We may have some resemblance but it is not enough. Another thing, where did those apes came from?

Why don't you creationists read a book on evolution theory so you'll understand what you are against?

Evolution does NOT teach that humans evolved from apes. Humans and great apes came from a common ancestor that is long extinct. We are one branch of the anthropoid family tree, great apes are another branch.

Now a question for you. If God made man in his own image, how come so many people are ugly?
11-30-2005, 12:41 PM
Nanci Rubin

As a Christian I believe that the Bible is the infallible Word of God, and in the book of Beginning's it is written, In the beginning God (prepared, formed, fashioned, and) created the heavens and the earth. Gen.1:1 (Amp) Even as a child when I was taught Evolution in school, I never in my spirit believed it, it just seemed too far a leap in faith.
11-30-2005, 02:25 PM
ChuckBukowski

A far leap in faith!?!? Are you kidding me? Believing in the Bible and that God created the earth in a seven day period after which he created Adam and all the animals, then used one of Adams ribs to make him a girlfriend but later sentenced them to eternal damnation fro eating an apple that was offered to them by a talking snake is the ultimate definition of "a far leap in faith". The only thing that creationists can offer as proof to their argument is "faith". Evolution is supported by facts. If you could show me just one talking snake I would at the very least describe the "evolution vs creation" argument as a "debate", but as far as I'm concerned it's like trying to describe what a sunset looks like to Helen Keller, no matter what you say, she's just never gonna really get it because she's too freegin blind.
11-30-2005, 02:40 PM
starrwriter

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Originally Posted by Nanci Rubin

As a Christian I believe that the Bible is the infallible Word of God, and in the book of Beginning's it is written, In the beginning God (prepared, formed, fashioned, and) created the heavens and the earth. Gen.1:1 (Amp) Even as a child when I was taught Evolution in school, I never in my spirit believed it, it just seemed too far a leap in faith.

As Chuck indicated in his frenzy, there is no faith involved in evolution. It's based on the scientific method which uses observable data and logic to test the validity of a theory. This (not faith) is the best way ever invented to separate true facts from illusions.
11-30-2005, 04:53 PM
imaditzyreader

HMPH. i just wrote an essay about this in school today. I firmly belive in evolution, but i belive that God could have had a hand in it (intellegent design), but i think that it is hard to not look at all of the evidence that is put out there by the evolutionists. A book that i liked on this topic was "Confessing a Murder" Nicholas Drayson. iIt opened my eyes to how the world worked. i thought it pressed some very valid points. I also really like the view expressed by Henry Drummond in "Inherit the Wind" (a play about the scopes-monkey trial, whos author i cannot find at the moment). He said that as there was no sun or moon the first day(s?) of the world, how could we be sure that it was a 24 hour day. why couldnt it have been 25 hours, two weeks, ten years, or a few million years?? and in this time it could have been enough for evolution, so in essence both could be correct.

Think about it
12-01-2005, 04:05 PM
Pendragon

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Originally Posted by starrwriter

Why don't you creationists read a book on evolution theory so you'll understand what you are against?

Evolution does NOT teach that humans evolved from apes. Humans and great apes came from a common ancestor that is long extinct. We are one branch of the anthropoid family tree, great apes are another branch.

Now a question for you. If God made man in his own image, how come so many people are ugly?

I believe in both creation and evolution and see not conflict as I have often stated. Creation for a beginning and evolution from there on. I have read Darwin and said long ago in this thread that evolution speaks of a common ancestor not man from ape.

Now with that in mind, right back at you: Since God created man in His own image, why do we not all look alike? Because God is a spirit. That part of us does all look alike. These bodies? "Formed from the dust of the Earth" spirit placed inside. Evolution could have given us four arms by now, if it really worked on "see a need, fill it." I mean, who among us hasn't wished they had an extra hand or pair of hands when doing their job? Come in handy, wouldn't it? Why are so many people ugly? Well, a wise man said once that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Maybe to someone else's eyes they aren't THAT ugly! :D :lol:
12-02-2005, 02:59 AM
Taliesin

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Originally Posted by rhei_27

evolution or creation? I was raised to believe on creation rather than evolution. My parents disagree with the evolution theory. I have to admit that evolution is a plausible theory. Besides, do you really believe that we came from apes...that we originated from them. We may have some resemblance but it is not enough. Another thing, where did those apes came from? Now, Creation comes in...
I have a firm stand on creation...

Another thing, if God made humans, where did God come from?
12-02-2005, 03:15 AM
Basil

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Originally Posted by Taliesin

Another thing, if God made humans, where did God come from?

From the apes?
12-02-2005, 03:41 AM
Adelheid

God was always there, and is there, and always will be there. He existed, exists, and will exist. He is Omnipresence, Omniscience.
12-02-2005, 05:51 AM
atiguhya padma

<Evolution could have given us four arms by now, if it really worked on "see a need, fill it.">

Having four arms would make us clumsy and inefficient.

<God was always there, and is there, and always will be there. He existed, exists, and will exist. He is Omnipresence, Omniscience.>

Your language makes no sense. How can you use 'was','is' and 'always' when god is supposedly outside time? How can you say god was here or there, when god is supposedly non-corporeal? Omnipresence leaves no room for other presence - can two things occupy the exact same space? And how can god be present anywhere without having a body? To be present, is to physically occupy a spatial area, is it not? Is god present in my blood? in my urine? in my faeces? Was god present in Hitler? Stalin? Pol Pot?
12-02-2005, 06:11 AM
greenburke

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Originally Posted by starrwriter

Why don't you creationists read a book on evolution theory so you'll understand what you are against?

Evolution does NOT teach that humans evolved from apes. Humans and great apes came from a common ancestor that is long extinct. We are one branch of the anthropoid family tree, great apes are another branch.

Now a question for you. If God made man in his own image, how come so many people are ugly?

"Darwin made a keen observation but he drew a poor conclusion.
He thought that since natural selection can and does produce slight variations within animal populations it should therefore be able to explain all of the variety we observe in biology.

He concluded that since natural selection explains variety, all life must somehow be related, everything ultimately having evolved from some sort of common ancestor.

"It is a truly wonderful fact-the wonder of which we are apt to overlook from familiarity-that all animals and all plants throughout all time and space should be related to each other…" [Origin of Species]

Darwinists have even gone so far as to suggest that this common ancestor somehow evolved from non-living matter (which they presume to be some kind of dirty-water soup-like composition). Well, this whole idea of the birds and bananas, the fish and the flowers, all being related, and life evolving from non-life… may have seemed remotely plausible back in the 1800s.

Modern biology was still in its infancy and the living cell was still thought to be nothing more than a simple blob of protoplasm. Gregor Mendell (1822-1884) had only just begun exploring the principles of heredity and it wasn't until the late 1850's that Luis Pasteur (1822-1895) sought to disprove the abiogenesis fallacy

...and in light of the tremendous advances we've made in molecular biology, biochemistry and genetics, especially over these past fifty years, the flaws in Darwin's theory standout quite clearly.

For example, we've established that genetic barriers exist. Pigs will never fly! Yes, there are degrees of variation.

Different skin tones, facial features, eyes colors, hair types, etc. You could have a big dog or a small dog, a dog with long or short hair.

But no kind of dog will ever produce a non-dog! Birds and bananas aren't distant cousins! As far as life arising from non-life (abiogenesis), the mechanisms are fairly well known and the bottom line is this: certain chemical constraints make abiogenesis an impossible event."

http://www.allaboutscience.org/origin-of-species.htm

p.s. God is spirit, when he made man in his likeness he gave him a living soul.

People are to blame for "ugly" people. Eating the forbidden fruit brought sin, death, and disease into our world.

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