Why I believe in God?

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Originally Posted by lieasleep

I accept my human condition as lonely and weak and, most of all, small. You felt lonely and weak without god because you are lonely and weak. It is only once we accept the conditions of our lives that we can transcend them in some way. Denial of these conditions on the back of something that does not exist is a denial and rejection of all that does exist and, thus, the only non-relative truth that we could ever know.

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Allow me to differ with you. If people would think in this way and accept their human condition they won't be able to make revolutions and change their condition.We should rebel over this condition not to surrender to it. I allowed others to step over me and destroy me once because I used to believe in what you've said. But then I discovered I was wrong. We are not weak and alone; with the help of God you would discover that there is in every one of us a hero, but it needs only to be awakened. My life was a series of battles on every field; everyone was against me and I was completely alone but I was willing to go till the end in my endeavor because I used to think of God and that although I have no one to support me , I have God and that's enough. I did win by the end. I'm not the same person who was years ago. I was able to change my condition not by accepting it but by revolting against it. This in not a denial of what that does exist on the back of what does not exist. The person who I'm now did not exist years ago even in my imagination, even as a possibility; but now it exists.

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Originally Posted by caddy_caddy

Allow me to differ with you. If people would think in this way and accept their human condition they won't be able to make revolutions and change their condition.We should rebel over this condition not to surrender to it. I allowed others to step over me and destroy me once because I used to believe in what you've said. But then I discovered I was wrong. We are not weak and alone; with the help of God you would discover that there is in every one of us a hero, but it needs only to be awakened. My life was a series of battles on every field; everyone was against me and I was completely alone but I was willing to go till the end in my endeavor because I used to think of God and that although I have no one to support me , I have God and that's enough. I did win by the end. I'm not the same person who was years ago. I was able to change my condition not by accepting it but by revolting against it. This in not a denial of what that does exist on the back of what does not exist. The person who I'm now did not exist years ago even in my imagination, even as a possibility; but now it exists.

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Very well said.

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Originally Posted by caddy_caddy

Allow me to differ with you. If people would think in this way and accept their human condition they won't be able to make revolutions and change their condition.We should rebel over this condition not to surrender to it. I allowed others to step over me and destroy me once because I used to believe in what you've said. But then I discovered I was wrong. We are not weak and alone; with the help of God you would discover that there is in every one of us a hero, but it needs only to be awakened. My life was a series of battles on every field; everyone was against me and I was completely alone but I was willing to go till the end in my endeavor because I used to think of God and that although I have no one to support me , I have God and that's enough. I did win by the end. I'm not the same person who was years ago. I was able to change my condition not by accepting it but by revolting against it. This in not a denial of what that does exist on the back of what does not exist. The person who I'm now did not exist years ago even in my imagination, even as a possibility; but now it exists.

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You completely misunderstood me. What you are talking about is yourself within the context of a society. I am talking about myself in the context of the universe. You revolted against your circumstances but not your condition.

The only revolt against our condition is acceptance of it. The only transcendence lies in the acceptance that we can not transcend. I am talking about condition in its basest form, the physical.

I am glad that you found happiness, but it was not God that brought you it, it was your action towards happiness. This action may have been based on a belief in God but no one needs God to want and make actions toward a happier life. I commend you for your actions, not god.

Revolt is resistance. lieasleep, you are closer to God than you think.

caddy_caddy, the soul at peace is God's.

I would rather believe in faith than believe in doubt.

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Originally Posted by blithe spirit

I would rather believe in faith than believe in doubt.

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I would rather cross the road like the chicken but I don't.

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Originally Posted by blithe spirit

I would rather believe in faith than believe in doubt.

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Originally Posted by G L Wilson

I would rather cross the road like the chicken but I don't.

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It takes courage to take that step of faith.

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Originally Posted by blithe spirit

It takes courage to take that step of faith.

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It takes courage to step in the other direction as well.

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Originally Posted by blithe spirit

It takes courage to take that step of faith.

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it is fear to turn away from truth. faith, by its definition, is devoid of truth

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Originally Posted by lieasleep

it is fear to turn away from truth. faith, by its definition, is devoid of truth

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1) What is truth? and
2) What is known?

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Originally Posted by lieasleep

it is fear to turn away from truth. faith, by its definition, is devoid of truth

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Where did you get that definition?

It seems that some just want to belittle a faith in God, but they wholeheartedly accept a faith in one man's conclusions of another's observations.

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Originally Posted by BienvenuJDC

Where did you get that definition?

It seems that some just want to belittle a faith in God, but they wholeheartedly accept a faith in one man's conclusions of another's observations.

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I am not trying to belittle anything, I am trying to look at it within the dimensions of truth. Is God a truth? No. It is a speculation. Most things that we consider as truths are really only speculations, rife with relativity and taken only upon faith. Consider love, language, honor, cowardice, morality, ethics, spirituality, empathy, emotion. These things are taken to be universal but do not actually exist. Does that make them untrue? No, they still live within the physical through the mechanism of thought and our interpretations of such mechanics. Their being thought can, obviously, not be denied but our faith in those interpretations, our insistence that such interpretations bear truth is like being handed a picture of the loch ness monster by a man saying "Can't you see?!" and screaming in reply "Proof!" without second thought that you are simply holding a picture. The picture has truth. You can say "I am holding a picture" because you are, but you can't say "I am looking at the loch ness monster," because you are not. Similarly, one can more truthfully say "I am having thoughts that God exists," than "God exists." They are descriptions of the exact process only the former is moving towards truth (not there yet, the speaker could be lying which means the only real truth that he could say is "I am speaking" but this is a silly point which should be disregarded) and the latter is moving towards faith. And yet, faith is not belittled. It is made equal.

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Originally Posted by lieasleep

I am not trying to belittle anything, I am trying to look at it within the dimensions of truth. Is God a truth? No. It is a speculation. Most things that we consider as truths are really only speculations, rife with relativity and taken only upon faith. Consider love, language, honor, cowardice, morality, ethics, spirituality, empathy, emotion. These things are taken to be universal but do not actually exist. Does that make them untrue? No, they still live within the physical through the mechanism of thought and our interpretations of such mechanics. Their being thought can, obviously, not be denied but our faith in those interpretations, our insistence that such interpretations bear truth is like being handed a picture of the loch ness monster by a man saying "Can't you see?!" and screaming in reply "Proof!" without second thought that you are simply holding a picture. The picture has truth. You can say "I am holding a picture" because you are, but you can't say "I am looking at the loch ness monster," because you are not. Similarly, one can more truthfully say "I am having thoughts that God exists," than "God exists." They are descriptions of the exact process only the former is moving towards truth (not there yet, the speaker could be lying which means the only real truth that he could say is "I am speaking" but this is a silly point which should be disregarded) and the latter is moving towards faith. And yet, faith is not belittled. It is made equal.

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In a way, the search for truth is more important than the discovery of truth. We must imagine Sisyphus happy as Camus said.

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Originally Posted by G L Wilson

In a way, the search for truth is more important than the discovery of truth. We must imagine Sisyphus happy as Camus said.

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GL are you a bot? I will be pissed if you are because you do say some descent stuff.

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Originally Posted by lieasleep

GL are you a bot? I will be pissed if you are because you do say some descent stuff.

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I am human, lieasleep, as are you.