Evolution vs. Creation

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Foundation: the basis on which something stands or is supported; a base.

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Sorry, but on what does the Earth stand? Around its own core, I suppose you'll say. But what about the part,

"cannot be moved"?

That does not necessarily imply it doesn't move from its "foundations" as "God" calls it. From what I see "He" meant cannot be moved whatsoever.

Words, words, words.

Or we could say, concepts, concepts, concepts. Did the Christian god ever realise that words and concepts are not the real thing? That a book of words can never be a sampling of the divine?

Back to "the four corners of the Earth" being evidence that The Bible teaches that the world is flat, remember these people were noted for their ability as sailors. They navigated by the stars, since things such as compasses and sextants were yet to be invented. But they knew there were four basic directions. Even we today, knowing full well that the Earth is round and that it goes around the Sun and spins on its axis tend to devide the world into those four basic directions: North, South, East, and West, the major points of the compass. But since the Earth is round, exactly where does North end and South begin? At the Equator, an imaginary line around the center of the Earth. Where does East become West? There's the Prime Meridian another imaginarly line from North to South. Unable to see the whole globe (remember the America's were undiscovered), we may perhaps excuse the lessened view of the world. But since anyone at the ocean's edge can, if they look, see the curve of the Earth, I don't really buy the flat Earth theory. People interpeted it that way, of course, and perscuted anyone who had enough sense to disagee. But it didn't mean that was what it said or meant.

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We just couldn't resist. Sorry.

well, at LEAST we have the truth being heard in the schools, so that whatever decision the kids make to choose their belief, it will be with the whole picture. Else they will be biased. I should like it that way rather than the way it is NOW.

:lol: People just don't buy the alien thing...... say what you will ;)

On the same line of...links...I'd like to add:

http://www.churchofvirus.org/

Wonderful website. ;)

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Originally Posted by Adelheid

well, at LEAST we have the truth being heard in the schools, so that whatever decision the kids make to choose their belief, it will be with the whole picture. Else they will be biased. I should like it that way rather than the way it is NOW.

:lol: People just don't buy the alien thing...... say what you will ;)

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Adelheid, as you know, I strongly support God creating the world and believe the Bible. Yet I'm going to say something here that I hope doesn't shake your faith in me. I think it a shame that our churches have become so lax in their teaching of the Bible that children would have to depend on school to tell them that God created the world. When I was a kid, I was desperately poor, from the "wrong side of town", yet my siblings and I attended Bible school every summer at one of the biggest Baptist Churches in town, when mostly rich people were members. Then, Bible School lasted six weeks, was an all-day activity, and we were taught the Bible. My ability to name all books of the Bible in order comes from back then, as does a lot of scripture I can quote by heart. Now, no one has that kind of time to invest in young people. Some that have come here have told me that their youth pastor was more interested in teaching them to play rock guitar than anything else. Always young people would seek me out, because I would make time for them. That's what is sad. I learned about God creating the world in church, and church school in the summer. The church is failing to do its job. Realisticly, I don't think the private sector is going to do it for them either willingly or acurately.http://www.smileyville.net/mellow/mf_pope.gifhttp://www.smileyville.net/mellow/mf_unclesmile.gif

no, no!!!!

I perfectly agree with you, Pen, and it has won even more admiration. :nod: I think you are right about the church not teaching the kids that sort of thing enough, that is why I am always grateful to the Lord for bringing us and directing us to a church (even though it is small) that upholds the Bible, and believes in it as the Inspired Word of God.

Nowadays, the churches (at least the big ones) [I am not referring to ALL the churches] are more interested in gaining all the members they can get, no matter what they have to do or teach... I believe that is wrong. Pastors or ministers should only teach what is right and Biblical. Also, the music in Church is so wrong! Music is supposed to be harmonious and melodious, to bring the people of God into worship. Yet... how can one worship with rock music making you deaf???? The spirit of the World has got into the churches, and I'm getting very worried. Surely this is another sign of the End Times. There will be a great falling away before Christ comes.

I agree with you. :nod:

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Originally Posted by Adelheid

Also, the music in Church is so wrong! Music is supposed to be harmonious and melodious, to bring the people of God into worship. Yet... how can one worship with rock music making you deaf????

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I've seen this stuff on TV. If you'd like to take it as an upside, it isn't very good rock. :p

Pendragon, I agree that the early indoctrination of youth into a certain school of thought or ideology more thoroughly cements their opinions and ideas. Thats why I wish public schools would teach evolutionary theory at an earlier age, preferrably at the elementary level. If we learned anything from the Nazi Party's Hitler Youth Program and the Big Brother Youth League from George Orwells's "1984", its that children, not adults, are fundamental in establishing the foundation for a system of beliefs predicated on ingnoring things we do not understand rather than questioning the unknown and upsetting the status quo.

Oh, and yes I am a proud member of http://www.landoverbaptist.org/

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Originally Posted by ChuckBukowski

Oh, and yes I am a proud member of http://www.landoverbaptist.org/

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That is...rather funny. :lol: I dig the Jesus thong. But perhaps this isn't the best forum for posting satire. :confused:

Satire.....where?

something to agree on, Contemporary Christian music.... gag me!

I would like to return all the way back here to what was post #670

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Is it possible that you failed to catch the part where I said that the problem seems to lie with the fact that philosophers and scientists can't accept the Biblical records as written? And if we go even further back you will find that I believe in Evolution, the type known as adaptation of species to environment, which causes changes. But my faith in God as the Creator remains unshaken. I will admit that the age of the Earth and the animals remains a mystery, and that since time itself means nothing to God, the time measurements in Genesis are arbitrary. One thing that struck me recently though, was the National Geographic Special on the chimpanze that had always walked upright like a man. His head was also shaped differently. Science began to wonder if he were perhaps a crossbreed. DNA proved he was a chimp, but had an extra chromozone. His face and head reminded me a lot of the "Lucy" being. He was that one in a million chance that is possible, but not probable. Still, he existed, and they have pictures, film footage, his DNA, and his skeleton for proof. But it makes me wonder about some fossil evidence where they only have 1 skull or so. Do they really have a complete species, or is it that same one in a million chance repeated?

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As you may notice, I ask a question based on scientific reaserch here. It was never even discussed. Had I based the question on the Bible, I believe the expression "the fur would have flown" would fit the bill very well. Later I asked about the coelacanth, thought extinct for millions of years yet alive and virtually unchaged, and why evolution seems to have skipped aligators and crocidiles. Again no answer. Be ready at anytime to answer those who question, even if you must say an honest "I don't know. Let me do some research." Otherwise, it appears that you do the same thing you accuse the religious people of doing--ignore what doesn't fit. :)