Why I believe in God?

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Originally Posted by YesNo

:) That's as good a reason as any to post something.

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It is no reason at all, however it is funny.

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Originally Posted by blazeofglory

A spiritual experience is something misconstrued. Spirituality is the only thing that gives a meaning to our meaninglessness in a world that is so void and empty and so creepy. I do not know, in fact no body knows whether or not God exists but I see great amounts of placating stuffs in spirituality and that is why I hanker after it.

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I would rather accept the meaningless, void, empty, creepy world for what it is rather than try and deny it with notions of the supernatural. Why should we desire to see the world through placated eyes. Our anger is allayed but still present. I would rather be present with it because suspending my own presence to avoid something too painfully present is only self-detrimental; the world still remains as it is.

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Originally Posted by lieasleep

I would rather accept the meaningless, void, empty, creepy world for what it is rather than try and deny it with notions of the supernatural. Why should we desire to see the world through placated eyes. Our anger is allayed but still present. I would rather be present with it because suspending my own presence to avoid something too painfully present is only self-detrimental; the world still remains as it is.

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Is not nihilism a persona too, lieasleep? Is not authenticity for when you are dead? What is reality, and what is truth? Is not beauty truth, and ugliness true too? Are we not alienate from the world, and in our loneliness seek comfort? Is not the light blinding as the darkness is cool? Is not black a shade of white? Am I not asking a lot of questions? Is it not all illusion? How does one become certain? Where are we, and what are we here for? Can you not answer my questions?

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Originally Posted by G L Wilson

Is not nihilism a persona too, lieasleep? Is not authenticity for when you are dead? What is reality, and what is truth? Is not beauty truth, and ugliness true too? Are we not alienate from the world, and in our loneliness seek comfort? Is not the light blinding as the darkness is cool? Is not black a shade of white? Am I not asking a lot of questions? Is it not all illusion? How does one become certain? Where are we, and what are we here for? Can you not answer my questions?

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Haha I can try to answer a few. Please accept some suspended humility. I only attempt answering some of this because it is fun. Disregard the answers themselves completely.

It is a persona that is attempting to not be a persona; although it is not whether or not it is a persona, it is.

No, Hamlet, authenticity too is a self-qualified, relative non-existent and, when related back to to nihilism and persona, actually destroys any idea of existent value in culture, tradition, and/ or authenticity beyond our actions which reflect our own reflections.

No truth in relativity beyond a self-qualified one, even a self-qualified one hidden behind a highly affected self-qualification. We only make choices based on experience and desire but being informed by experience leads to affect. I am extremely affected but I am still making the choice to be affected. I am still taking the action of effect.

We are not alienate from the world because we are a part of it. We are arrangement of atoms, very physical existent atoms that are constantly entering and becoming a part of us (in the corporeal sense) and then again, in this same sense, moving out of us; what you consider the world, the physical universe, may very well be a part of you soon and may very well have been you; you once considered the dust on your floor you.

I don't really feel like answering anymore. Real fun trying to answer though.

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Originally Posted by lieasleep

Haha I can try to answer a few. Please accept some suspended humility. I only attempt answering some of this because it is fun. Disregard the answers themselves completely.

It is a persona that is attempting to not be a persona; although it is not whether or not it is a persona, it is.

No, Hamlet, authenticity too is a self-qualified, relative non-existent and, when related back to to nihilism and persona, actually destroys any idea of existent value in culture, tradition, and/ or authenticity beyond our actions which reflect our own reflections.

No truth in relativity beyond a self-qualified one, even a self-qualified one hidden behind a highly affected self-qualification. We only make choices based on experience and desire but being informed by experience leads to affect. I am extremely affected but I am still making the choice to be affected. I am still taking the action of effect.

We are not alienate from the world because we are a part of it. We are arrangement of atoms, very physical existent atoms that are constantly entering and becoming a part of us (in the corporeal sense) and then again, in this same sense, moving out of us; what you consider the world, the physical universe, may very well be a part of you soon and may very well have been you; you once considered the dust on your floor you.

I don't really feel like answering anymore. Real fun trying to answer though.

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"Man simply is." Sartre

Is he nothing else? Am I not my brother's keeper?

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Originally Posted by G L Wilson

"Man simply is." Sartre

Is he nothing else? Am I not my brother's keeper?

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Nope. Responsibility is is another one of those self-qualified relative blah blah blahs. Choke by Pahalniuk is all about that, despite my hating that book, it made some good points.

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Originally Posted by lieasleep

Nope. Responsibility is is another one of those self-qualified relative blah blah blahs. Choke by Pahalniuk is all about that, despite my hating that book, it made some good points.

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Since you seem to think all is relative, why don't you try suicide and see if there is any certainty in that?

The nihilist thinks that nothing's more important than any other. Kurt Vonnegut is an example. (I knew that there was something which annoyed me about that guy.)

I believe in God because He's the only one who never failed me.
I believe in God because when I need Him,I find Him next to me.
I believe in God because when I knock on his door , He always opens his door to me.
I believe in God because when I call Him , He always answers back and listens to me.
I believe in God because I'm so mean to Him , but still He is so kind to me!

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Originally Posted by caddy_caddy

I believe in God because He's the only one who never failed me.
I believe in God because when I need Him,I find Him next to me.
I believe in God because when I knock on his door , He always opens his door to me.
I believe in God because when I call Him , He always answers back and listens to me.
I believe in God because I'm so mean to Him , but still He is so kind to me!

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"The Lord is a man of war." Exodus

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Originally Posted by caddy_caddy

I believe in God because He's the only one who never failed me.
I believe in God because when I need Him,I find Him next to me.
I believe in God because when I knock on his door , He always opens his door to me.
I believe in God because when I call Him , He always answers back and listens to me.
I believe in God because I'm so mean to Him , but still He is so kind to me!

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Well said...

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Originally Posted by caddy_caddy

I believe in God because He's the only one who never failed me.
I believe in God because when I need Him,I find Him next to me.
I believe in God because when I knock on his door , He always opens his door to me.
I believe in God because when I call Him , He always answers back and listens to me.
I believe in God because I'm so mean to Him , but still He is so kind to me!

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How can God fail you, caddy_caddy, when he doesn't exist?

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Originally Posted by G L Wilson

Since you seem to think all is relative, why don't you try suicide and see if there is any certainty in that?

The nihilist thinks that nothing's more important than any other. Kurt Vonnegut is an example. (I knew that there was something which annoyed me about that guy.)

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I like living. One day it will be over. Why now? Not everything is relative, a bunch of things that don't actually exist are relative. "Isn't existence relative?" No. Not a huge fan of solipsism.

And Vonnegut is a self-described humanist. Can someone be a humanist and a nihilist at the same time? Seems like humanism still takes a certain amount of faith that is really contradictory to nihilism.

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Originally Posted by lieasleep

I like living. One day it will be over. Why now? Not everything is relative, a bunch of things that don't actually exist are relative. "Isn't existence relative?" No. Not a huge fan of solipsism.

And Vonnegut is a self-described humanist. Can someone be a humanist and a nihilist at the same time? Seems like humanism still takes a certain amount of faith that is really contradictory to nihilism.

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I am that I am, and who is to dispute me?

I cannot be God, for I exist because a baby has smiled at me. Proof of existence is in laughter. The Sufis say that the world began with a smile, why should I not die laughing?

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Originally Posted by G L Wilson

How can God fail you, caddy_caddy, when he doesn't exist?

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He exists within me.
You know, outside my house there is a lot of trees full of birds; they keep singing but for years I've never noticed their existence; I've never remember that I heard them once; it's only when I began to love the birds' songs that they exist to me.

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Originally Posted by caddy_caddy

He exists within me.
You know, outside my house there is a lot of trees full of birds; they keep singing but for years I've never noticed their existence; I've never remember that I heard them once; it's only when I began to love the birds' songs that they exist to me.

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So marvelously written. All we see is the reflection of what we have inside and our strong faith enables us to see the beauty of everything.

You are right Caddy in saying you can see the awe-inspiring beauty of nature since there is beauty inside you since you feel the message of the creator of the universe.