Two works by Poe decoded. Announcement!!

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Originally Posted by yanni

Sonnet to Zante:
Fair isle, that from the fairest of all flowers,
Thy gentlest of all gentle names dost take!
How many memories of what radiant hours
At sight of thee and thine at once awake!
How many scenes of what departed bliss!
How many thoughts of what entombed hopes!
How many visions of a maiden that is
No more- no more upon thy verdant slopes!
No more! alas, that magical sad sound
Transforming all! Thy charms shall please no more-
Thy memory no more! Accursed ground
Henceforth I hold thy flower-enameled shore,
O hyacinthine isle! O purple Zante!
"Isola d'oro! Fior di Levante!"


A series of coincidences brought about the decoding first of the Sonnet and, five years later, of Al Aaraaf.
Inbetween following "classic" riddles, all interrelated and very relevant, were encounterd and finally solved:

D'Anastasy, the "armenian" alchemy papyri collector, consul(1826-?) of Sweden and Norway to Egypt
Cagliostro -Balsamo and "his" Rite of Mizraim
Comte de San Germain, minister of war of Luis XV and XVI (1771-1779)
The designer of the great seal of the USA, a friend and advisor of Ben.Franklin.
The affair of the queen's necklace (1784-1785) that brought about the french revolution (1789-1790)
The Stuart jewels "discovered" by Walter Scott.

A few words on the poems themselves:
Both refer to Zante* and "tell" on Edgar's younger and romantic years that ended some years before the Sonnet was written.
Hence the difference in style: Aaraaf written propably 1826-28 , secretive and elaborated, lengthy, almost epic, a product of the mind, the Sonnet, written in a day, end of 1836, short and sentimental, a product of a troubled yet sincere soul mourning a death that deeply affected him.
The Sonnet refers indeed to the death of young woman, wife of a man Poe had to contact during his diplomatic mission to the Levant early 1827. They greatly impressed Poe and hence, when he learned of the 1835 murder that included both her and other members of the man's family, his world totally collapsed.

Will be answering posts by members who have studied Edgar's life and poetry and raise specific questions on the two poems only.
Will not be revealing details or solutions of said riddles: A book will hopefully be published once a competent (and willing and daring) editor-publisher is found and this information will onlt be revealed there.


*After the fall of Venice to the french, a succesion of protectors ruled the island of Zante (jacobine french, russians allies of the Orttomans then, imperial napoleonic french and finally english 1809). Zante joined Modern Greece in 1864.
Greece was liberated after four centuries of Ottoman occupation with the war for independence 1821-1827.

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this thread smells of DaVinci Code! :lol:

A "voice in the wilderness" with his smell intact? No way:

Brown's fairy tale has nothing in common with the Announcement.

There is no "rhetoric exaltation" either.

Thanks anyway and my regards to the "de Wits"!

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Originally Posted by yanni

A "voice in the wilderness" with his smell intact? No way:

Brown's fairy tale has nothing in common with the Announcement.

There is no "rhetoric exaltation" either.

Thanks anyway and my regards to the "de Wits"!

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de who? :D

The DeWitt-Clintons of my previous post above, that's who.

Whereas the older (pre 1750, Chio+Zante) family blazon depicts an eagle sitting on a castle, its single head turned eastwards, their later Zante(post 1760)-Hydra(1821) symbols are as follows:

The Zante blazon, today displayed center (in a series of other blazons) at the Dion.Salomon Museum, depicts a single snake, its body wound around a blooming Asclepius staff (a tree) its head turned towards the tree blossom: No, it's not the sign of a "blossoming" period of a doctor's history but the biblical serpent -tree of gnosis-apple combination:
The Zante Cochins (or maybe their flexible friends and associates who, with Cochin "assistance", came to power, nobility and fortune after 1835, build much later the Museum and exposed thus their "benefactors") are declaring their cabbalistic philosophy and their hate for Rome using Antonio Cocchi as their next (like they did with Gioachino previously) "frontman".On the other hand Hydra's purple-blue revolutionary flag of Lazaro Musiu, Yanni d'Anastasy's brother, today centrally exhibited at the Maritime Museum of Piraeus, is as follows:

At its center a heavy purple cross is standing on an upturned, rather weak, yellow "croissant", its two points touching the ground, the back curve supporting the cross ready to give in to its weight. To the right of the cross a black anchor upside down, also footed on the croissant, indicating a fleet on the move. A single green snake is wound around the anchors stem, its head reaching over the anchor to a bird, propably a pigeon, feeding the snake or v.v. To the right of anchor+snake duo, the word ΕΛΕΥΘΕΡΙΑ (Freedom...).
To the left of the cross a greenish-reddish lance, also footed on the croissant, point up, to its left the words "Η ΘΑΝΑΤΟΣ" (...or Death)

Whereas the anchor-snake flag duo seems to be a development of the Zante symbol, the cross at the flag center as well as the snake surpassing the top of the anchor (previous tree) to find its feed from the bird (commerce/sailing ship instead of the apple, the cross "caught" inbetween "freedom" or "death") indicates a difference in policy and philosophy between the two families. .

This difference becomes obvious when studying the 1784-1821 history of the two:

The "mercer" Cochins, their Zante presence barely noticeable in pre 1800 local records, are resting on their nobility laurels and are associating with their "Lev-Salomon-Balsamo" friends. They, alltogether, become invvollved in local politics from the time the jacobin-french take control of Zante (1797) and, even when "imperial" France occupies the island till 1809, they maintain their alliance to the brit agents and are openly "probrit" thereafter.
Hiding behind An.Martinengo, Zante's dictator (1797-1809), this strange alliance (jacobins, "levs", "noble" Cochins etc) really control the island until the british take over.

The hydrian sailors Cochini, already described herein along with relevant 1770-1791 Hydra history, fly the russian flag (1777 to 1821), supply Napoleon's troops dduring the Egypt campaign and, with their other local and french (Bonforts) captains-relatives, also carry wheat from the Black Sea and Egypt to France. They are obviously in friendly terms with Napoleon (as confirmed by Leiden) not with the hugenot french however:
Russian consul Anastasy Cochini, joining the russian fleet in 1807, confiscates the olive oil cargo of hugenot french consul in Athens Hilarion Couturier and is then persecuted by him and the ottoman admiral (The ottomans become allies of the brits after 1807).

Lazarus's Ypapanti church further reveals, if not their true faith, their new commitment to the eastern christian religion, their belief they are "here to stay", their dissapointment with their previous "french experience".

Also worth to mention the use they make of their name: The Cochins name themselves Cochini in 1750-1837 Zante, the hydrians use the same till 1821 and then hide behind their nicknames (a local custom-practice) "Lazarou", "Orlof", "Musiu", Colochini (Nicolo-Cochini), Malochini(Manolo Cochini), Colmaniote (Nicolo from Mani) etc.

Another difference is in their wealth: The Cochini are described as very wealthy(until they spend all wealth for the greek cause, 1821-1827), the Cochins are not.

Whereas in France the "italians" were under french control, as mentioned, in the Levant the inverse is noticed. Appearing as one family, using Zante as their headquarters and entry-departure port (eschelle-scala) to and from the Adriatic and Hydra-Petsai (and Ipsera) as their strongholds in the Aegean, bases of their revolts against the ottomans, the Zante names (Cochins) are however not to be found anywhere in the Hydra archives or other references.

It is therefore obvious that from 1784 to 1826 the hydrians have the upper hand. Only when the Couturier vs Cochini (1807-1818) files at the french Ministry of Justice are examined it will be made clear if their 1821 revolt was truly "nationalistic" and not the product of an "amicable financial settlement" after the resurrection of their royal Bourbon friends.

The following are worth investigating re E.A.Poe's-Cochini relations before his eastern trip as well as the origins of Guillelmo Cochini, Mehmet Ali's agent in Zante in 1821.
It is fairly obvious anyhow that "Corzine" originates from Cochini=Caussiny etc and that they were jesuits on arrival. The date of the Caussin Manor transfer deed by William Caussin is missing from the web: It might reveal the american origins of Guillelmo.

DESCRIPTION: This folder [101 S6-16] consists of land documents (1728-1905) pertaining to St. Thomas Manor and the surrounding vicinity. Items include the following: Certificate (1728/9) of sale for Mankins Adventure; Indenture (1730) between Stephen Mankins and Peter Attwood, S.J.; Map (1649) of addition or resurvey of Caussin's Manor; Certificate of survey for Nicholas Caussin's land; Copy of remarks (1905) with Caussin's maps; Plat of south line and of Caussin's Manor; Extract from William Caussin's deed to Upgate Reeves; Remarks (1747) on the land of Upgate Reeves and the part of it sold by Thomas Reeves to Richard Molyneux, S.J.; Certificate (1762) concerns Caussin's Manor; Plat of Upgate Reeves land; Plat of land sold by Thomas Reeves to Fr. Molyneux (1748); Indenture (1815) between Thomas Courtney Reeves and Francis Neale, S.J.; Deed (1905) from Patrick F. Healy, S.J., to the Corporation of Roman Catholic Clergymen.

The Suppression of the Society altered but little the status of the Jesuits in Maryland. As they were the only priests in the mission, they still remained at their posts, the nine English members, until death, all continuing to labor under Father John Lewis who after the Suppression had received the powers of vicar-general from Bishop Calloner of the London District. Only two of them survived until the restoration of the Society--Robert Molyneux and John Bolton. Many of those who were abroad, labouring in England or studying in Belgium, returned to work in the mission. As a corporate body, they still retained the properties from which they derived support for their religious ministrations. As their numbers decreased, some of the missions were abandoned, or served for a time by other priests, but maintained by the revenues of the Jesuits properties even after the Restoration of the Society. Though these properties were regarded as reverting to it through its former members organized as the Corporation of Roman Catholic clergymen, a yearly allowance from the revenues made over to Archbishop Carroll became during Bishop Maréchal's administration (1817-34) the basis of a claim for such a payment in perpetuity and the dispute thus occasioned was not settled until 1838 under Archbishop Eccleston.

Re: John Corzine b. 1873 NC to Union Co IL
Posted by: Russell Earl Corzine Date: August 19, 2000 at 18:08:01
In Reply to: Re: John Corzine b. 1873 NC to Union Co IL by GARY LE ANN CORZINE of 270

John Corzine was bondsman for Siles Corzine ans Jean Bluster, who married in 1810 in Cabarrus Co NC. Their son William Riley Corzine moved with his family of many to Union Co. IL in the 1820's. Was John, Silas' Father? John Cursine, born about 1710 was the father of John, Nicholas, and George Corzine, Born in the 1730's in Cecil Co. MD, Wife Deborah. John & she later in Winchester VA in 1754, sometimes called Cozine then. After 1757, three boys etc in NC, Rowan Co & etc. Name usually misspelled. I believe Primogenitor of family in America was Nicholas Causin arrived MD colony by 1637. Married widow of John Cockshott, Jane, was English. Nicholas son of Nicholas Caussin, in Jesuit order, born 1582 France. In French Biography printed mid 1800's. Ignatius, Son of Nicholas, Signed his name Cursine in 1660's Maryland (and many other ways.)

i'm curious, what does your position add to the prevailing literature? and where are your footnotes?

From a pure research standpoint, troubling is that you make such broad-sweeping and crude statements throughout to substantiate claims, such as this one:

"The difference becomes obvious when studying the 1784-1821 history of the two"

Obvious? Whose history? C'mon.

I also see little or no conceptualization of terms, and there's no research design, just specious interpretation.

First define "prevailing", next "literature", then the combination of the two please.

Bibliography: It will be annexed on conclusion .

Finding "Caussin's manor" in such select neighborhood was both inspiring and challenging, thus:

30/4/1784 Saint Germain's (=A.H.Cochin=Gioachino Cocchi) funeral with 54 years of age, is witnessed by his cousins Jean Phillipe Hippolite Lambert, coseiller du roi et Hery Cochin, avocat.

Jaques Denis Cochin's "Spiritual Writings", a posthumous work published by his brother (Paris, 1784). Cochin is noted especially for his philanthropy. The needs of his own parish suggested the foundation of a hospital. The idea, conceived in 1780, resulted in the completion of a building 1784 of which The Sisters of Charity took charge.

On June 23, 1784 the Bavarian Elector, Karl Theodor, published an edict forbidding his subjects to be members of secret or unauthorized associations.

Carroll, John 1735 - 1815:
A member of the Jesuit order who was born in Maryland, founded Georgetown College, and became the first archbishop of Baltimore in 1808.
Georgetown University records:

Carroll, John - Correspondence (Box: 23 Fold: 11)
ALS (transcript) from John Carroll to Cardinal Leonardo Antonelli, dated 3/1/1785. ALS (transcript in hand of Shea) from Rev. Robert Molyneux to Carroll, dated 3/28/1785. 1 ALS (transcript in hand of Shea) from Carroll to Rev. Charles Whelan, dated 4/16/1785.
(Antonelli:In addition to the responsible posts already mentioned, he filled those of grand penitentiary, prefect of the Signature of Justice and of the Congregation of the Index, and pro-secretary of Briefs. He assisted in the preparation of the Concordat, and was present at the election of Pope Pius VII in 1800, whom he later accompanied to Paris in 1804.As such Antonelli's decision saved later on Cagliostro from execution)

A general Convent of Masons (Strict Observance) in France and abroad was convoked by the secret committee for February 15, 1785. Savalette de Langes was elected president.

Carroll, John - Correspondence (Box: 23 Fold:12)

1 ALS to John Carroll from the Sacred Congregation of di Propaganda Fide, dated 7/23/1785. 1 AL from Carroll to Rev. Francis Neale, dated 6/17/1785. 1 AL (transcript) from Carroll to Neale, dated 6/17/1785.

(Ben.Franklin leaves Passy July 1785)

Carroll, John - Correspondence (Box: 23 Fold: 13)

1 ALS from John Carroll to Rev. John Causse, dated 8/16/1785

In (crude) conclusion: John "Causse", obviously a Cochin-Caussin, justifies the ommission of the date of the deed of tranfer of the Upgate Reeves property to Maryland authorities!!!.

Furthermore:

As Jean d'Anastasy, papyri collector, was himself a "Caussin", the family link to the jesuit order (at the time persecuted in Europe but finding its way in USA) evidently explains E.A.Poe's "eastern expedition" original purpose making his "Quaker" personality a cover.
Edgar's irish origins as well as his relations to Carey (Carey and Lea, publishers)......
Carey, Mathew 1760 - 1839:Philadelphia publisher, writer, and promoter of the "American System".
Born in Dublin, Ireland and became an anti-British newspaper editor there. Fled to the U.S. where he settled in Philadelphia, founded the Pennsylvania Herald in 1785, and the Columbian Magazine in 1786. He became a very prominent publisher, and a well-known advocate of the "American System", of federally-backed internal improvements and protective tariffs on manufactured goods, to build up the U.S. as a manufacturing nation with a strong internal commerce. In late 1814, at the low point for the U.S., of the War of 1812, he published the Olive Branch, aimed at stiffening American resolve, and reconciling the Federalists who had mostly opposed it, and the Republicans (Jeffersonians) who had prosecuted the war (though they obstructed earlier defensive measures). The book was praised by Thomas Jefferson, and quoted by Robert Y. Hayne (in an attack on the Federalists) in his famous Senate debate with Daniel Webster.
.....places Edgar center among the "Jesuit" side and in direct opposition to...

Clinton, De Witt (Mar. 2, 1769 - Feb. 11, 1828):
Governor of New York State 1817-1822 and 1824-27. mayor of New York City 1803-7, 1809-10 and 1811-14, candidate for president in 1812, founder and one of the first presidents of the Literary and Philosophical Society in New York. Van Buren and Clinton both supported Andrew Jackson

Yes, definitely, the subject did not belong to the poetry forum and propably not to "General Literature" either, so why don't you (administrator) just totally remove it?

BTW As sole judges of your "prevailing literature" thing, viewers have already rated this thread accordingly!

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Originally Posted by jon1jt

and there's no research design, just specious interpretation.

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It's not interpretation, it's decoding. :banana: :banana:

Greek words and phrases may have a different interpretation than what your dictionaries tell you, viewer:

"Hypocrisis", etymologicaly, means judgement (applause or rejection) from "below":

Artists (actors=ethopoioi (grk)=moral makers) taking part in theatrical performances were under such criticism by the spectators and as such, originaly, a "hypocrite" was the spectator not the actor.

"Idiocy", on the other hand, originaly meant the particular characteristics of a person or a group of persons. Hence "idiom" meaning the (different) language such person or group speak, often "barbaric" (bar-bar=blah-blah) ie difficult to understand.

As such, the phrase "Hypocritical idiocy" should mean the distance the spectators-judges decide to create between themselves and the idiotic (barbaric etc) artist unable to recreate and transmit "ethos".
Same thing for an author and his readers or the people of a society and their leaders.
When the actor becomes himself the "hypocrite", as the term has developed today, his "idiocy" is "hypocriticized" by noone in particular thus a floppy a theatrical performance is often applauded by the idiotic crowds.

Hence the reluctance of our "outspoken hypocrites" to explain that "literature", originating from latin liTTeratura, always meant the vehicle conveying garbage (animal dung etc) to feed the crowds thus extracting their applause, thus "prevailing".

There have never been any "literary" claims for this Announcement, the subjects of interest where defined from the beginning and obviously this has been an "instant online research" kind of thing, "original" in as much as the subject is important historicaly and the "author" constrained by his own limitations and his bias (blood relations) towards his "heroes".

Hypercritical to the rare hypocrite disassociating himself from one of the fathers of his nation, here comes via the web Benjamin Franklin, in friendly terms as seen with the printers-artists Cochins, to document his friendship with the protestant "Causses" also:

"THE WAY TO WEALTH, OR, POOR RICHARD IMPROVED; LA SCIENCE.....
Paris: printed for A.A. Renouard (printed by P. Causse, Dijon), 1795. 12mo. (4), 181, (5) pp. Engraved frontispiece portrait. First edition thus. Some copies include a separately paginated 28-page section "Observations sur les Sauvages du Nord de l'Amerique" (OCLC locates about equal numbers, with and without). Sabin 25596: "Beautifully printed. The letters to Franklin above mentioned are private, and addressed to Madame **, dated Passy, 1778 and 1779"

Also see http://www.whrb.org/pg/MayJun2003.html re Hummels compositions-performances:
1820: Fantasy for Viola and Orchestra, Op. 94; Causse, Causse, Soloists of Montepellier-Moscow (EMI)

as well as http://www.causse.de/hist/personen.html documenting the french (Montpelier, Negrepelisse, Lanquedoc) origins of the "Causse" family, theology
experts http://www.protestants.org/textes/fa...ite-causse.htm
recognising their southeastern origins at
http://perso.orange.fr/mariefb/fabien/fabien.htm

The question is therefore not on the identity of Georgetown, Maryland Rev John Causse as such but on his choice to use the protestant family name while serving in a jesuit order "abroad" in 1784-5!

Considering the fact that 1782 the Rite of Mizraim was the "haute couture" product of "nation building" design by Rev Causse's "eastern" family (also known as "parenti" in hermetic circles) and their friends and distinguished employees ("Walsamos" and his monumental attempt to "biblical immortality"!) and, as such design can be seen today on the Great Seal, the answer should be a "no brainer" even to the remaining few "Sauvages du Nord de l'Amerique", "hypers" and "hypos" alike!

So stay the course viewer and let footnotes to footmen!

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Originally Posted by yanni

First define "prevailing", next "literature", then the combination of the two please.

Bibliography: It will be annexed on conclusion .

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Prevailing literature consists of a body of scholarly research established by a community of thinkers, which has come to be recognized as "authoritive" against which all work is measured for reliability and verifiability, and consistently referred to as such.

I see absolutely nothing here of the sort.

Grace: "decoding"? lol:

Constitution Française, présentée au roi par l'assemblée nationale, le 3 septembre 1791. Dijon, imprimerie de P. Causse,
[FRENCH REVOLUTION]
Sm. 8vo. [2]ff. 83pp. Original paper wrappers, uncut (backed with later paper). 1791

Published in the same year as the édition originale. The seven sections of the Constitution are preceded by the declaration of the rights of man, and the work ends with the moving letter sent by Louis XVI on 13 September giving his reasons for accepting the revolutionary constitution, together with his promise that he would appear on the 14th before the Assemblée Nationale to accept it formally.

The official site of the french "National Press" insist that by 1792 L'Imprimerie royale, devenue Imprimerie du Louvre en 1790 puis Imprimerie nationale exécutive, quitte le Louvre où elle était installée depuis 1640. http://www.imprimerienationale.fr/im...&IdNav=groupe5

Their timeline, immediately after, reads as follows:

1795 Les deux imprimeries officielles sont regroupées à l'Hôtel de Penthièvre sous le vocable L'Imprimerie de la République.
1809 L’Imprimerie impériale s’installe à l’Hôtel de Rohan.
Commencent à paraître les 23 volumes de la Description de l'Egypte.
1813 Décret prévoyant la formation des compositeurs orientalistes.

The following publications however contradict their 1792 date of moving away from Louvre :

France. Convention nationale. Décret de la Convention nationale, du 6 mars 1793 … qui approuve les mesures prises par les commissaires nationaux Polverel & Santhonax dans la colonie de Saint-Domingue. Paris, Imprimerie nationale Exécutive du Louvre, 1793. 2 p. ; 25 cm.
Call Number: 1793 France 7

France. Convention nationale. Décret de la Convention nationale … portant que les tabacs fabriqués & les tafias en entrepôt dans les ports, seront admis dans circulation intérieure, en payant les droits d’entrée. Paris, Imprimerie Nationale exécutive du Louvre, 1793. 2 p. ; 25 cm.
Call Number: 1793 France 3

In any case, the P.Causse Dijon press 1791 publication of the Constitution Française, présentée au roi par l'assemblée nationale, le 3 septembre 1791 certainly places the "Causses" to the top of the- publishers at least- revolutionary hierarchy.

In their same Dijon press they next publish

France. Convention nationale. Decret de la Convention nationale, du quatrieme jour de germinal, l’an second … [i.e. 24 mars 1794], qui prescrit les formalités à observer de la part des militaires qui réclament une indemnité pour leurs équipages de guerre pris par l’ennemi. Dijon, P. Causse [1794?] 4 p., 25 cm. Call Number: 1794 Fr 1

All above reconfirm conclusions drawn from our previous "Blazons" post and further lead us to interpret the Georgetown-John Caroll-Rev. John Causse 8/16/1785 1784 correspondence as follows:

Rev John Causse, a hugenot priest, did not belong to the Jesuit order of Rev.John Caroll. The fact they did correspond nevertheless, at such critical times, is most indicatory of their "true dogma"-their common "national" interest-whereas the unknown date of/and transfer itself of the Upgate Reeves property are certainly consequent to their subject of correspondence, the "Jacob Lange masonic files discovery" and the consequet "dogmatic" implications and what to do about "it all"....

As from this side we have no further interest on the matter (the USA-Greece IOU conclusion already long drawn thanks to Edgar), we leave relevant research to our american friends, philosophes, scholars and authorities alike, to return to the Causses (the tone on e) of Hydra, first greek revolutionary admirals.

Rev John Causse, his "Caussin" cousins and their "Caussin Manor", further reveal to us yet another "greek part" of the Cochini history and oblige us both to continue our Odyssey in this sea of family mysteries and to also break our previous limit of not going beyond 1827 at this stage:

The well known "Κιοσσέ-Σαχίνη" (Sahin=fast, turkish) family is said (ΗΛΙΟΣ Εγκυκλοπαίδεια) to have an Antonio Kiosse (=Causse), 1730(approx) to 1771 as head. His son Dimitrio(1759-1808), member of Hydra's committee of elders (προεστοί), was arrested by the Ottomans in 1808 along with his three sons, first born Antonio, Dimitri and Giorgio. Of the four only Giorgio (1789-1864) remained on record thereafter:

Giorgio, as the story goes, learned italian and french while attending school at Hydra and Corfu. He was resting in Sicily however when the 1821 independence struggle began, a struggle he immediately joined bringing his own fighting ship along: "Miltiades".Participating in all naval actions thereafter, Giorgio was next appointed captain of the "national frigate Hydra"-made in USA-and by 1829 he was put in charge of the greek fleet of the Aegean Sea based in Syros island, was next appointed second admiral in 1833 and "aid de camps" of King Otto of Greece later on etc.

Some minor details of George Causse cv are ommited by the good Encyclopedia:

In 1825 he was appointed war minister of the provisional greek government along with Tsamados and Santarosa. He was still honouring the "russian" flag of the family fleet then while Greece was already in a civil war.
In 1831, 16th July, at the Poros central base of the greek fleet, admiral Giorgio Causse revolted, along side Miaoulis and Mavrogordatos, against governor Capodistria-shortly before Capodistira's murder later on in the year. The action taken against them on the 23rd by russian admiral Ricord and commanders Lyons(brit) and Lalande(french), supposedly protecting the greek Governor and Nation then, was not sufficient to prevent the destruction of the greek fleet, including one american made frigate, by the revolutionaries who set afire all greek ships anchored there.
As later reported by captain Valiant of the "Grenadier", greek captain Lazaros "Orlov"-a Cochin, possibly the same as "Musiu", Yanni's brother-of one of two greek briggs under Ricord, "arrogantly" insisted they should take immediate action and finish, once and for all, with Miaoulis. That's how action began but evidently not "decisive" enough.

The family differences that first appeared in 1826 (when the "Constitution" having left the States October 29, 1824 under the command of Captain Thomas Macdonough, was still stationed "west" of the action, in Italy waiting new orders) become evident in 1831.

They'll climax in Zante, under british rule in 1835, while the rest of Modern Greece is then "free" under "wise" King Otto, his mentor-tutor Mr Lyons, their "aide de camp M.George Causse" etc etc...

dude, you need to chill out a little. what's the point of all this?---you can't come up with an identifiable research design. it's mostly arbitrary interpretation.

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Originally Posted by jon1jt

Grace: "decoding"? lol:

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But isn't it most obvious? :D It's an announcement! As if decoding of this caliber actually needed any announcement. ;)

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Originally Posted by ShoutGrace

But isn't it most obvious? :D It's an announcement! As if decoding of this caliber actually needed any announcement. ;)

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i'm not kidding, this is the most bizarre thread i have ever seen! who is this dude anyway? i am familiar with yanni the Greek musician - at least his music makes sense to me! no offense, but this stuff, what the...?

When the Causses, top jacobin printers, are placed alongside the jacobin "Saint Jacques" Cochin dynasty with their Zante cabalistic blazon, then their "conservative roman catholic-royalist" image, adopted later on (post 1835) by the Cochin family, looses its lustre.

Examining next the orientalists de Perceval we note that J.J.Antoine Caussin de Perceval (ex keeper of manuscripts collection of Luis XVI at the royal library ) is functioning by 1806 as "Professeur au College de France and ...entra en 1809 à l'Institut (Académie des inscriptions) whereas his son Armand Pierre ....en 1814, il se rend à Constantinople en tant qu'élève interprète...

They are however not the only Percevals serving Napoleon's regime:
A third "Perceval" appears in 1813 serving directly under a war hardened general Mortier, Marshal of the Empire then, as one of his four "war commisioners first class".
http://www.napoleon-series.org/milit...ilaire13c.html

His full identity is not given in this site and was also not found in any other either but, as he is essential for the succesfull conclusion of this story, we note thhe following:

As previously stated, all Hydra records pointers (from relevant published study) lead to the conclusion that the hydrian "Cochini" (now including the Kiosses-Causses as well) are the same family as the Caussin de Percevals:
Reexamining this study we find Anastasy Cochini's presence (1797-1833) in Hydra's archive to be suddenly interrupted in 1812 whereas by 1816 he is declared dead by his two sons, Yanni and Lazarus. He reappears on local records however as Anastasy "Orlov" in 1822.

More "pointers" of published study, including Bouboulina's visit to Constantinople in 1815 as well as the military mobilisation of the family thereafter lead to the conclusion that "greek" Anastasy IS the french war commissioner.

Worth noting that one of Anastasy Perceval's fellow-commissioners was De LaNeuville, a familiar name in the last British-American war ending 1815:
Alexander V. LaNeuville was Adjutant. and Inspector General of Governor Claiborne's Staff] "down south":
http://www.hnoc.org/BNO/william_cook.htm

Thus the conclusion is reached that the family maintained their good relations to both jacobin as well as democratic and napoleonic France, that Anastasy, officialy implementing Napoleon's eastern policy after 1813 , was head of all family branches (Cochin, Caussin, Causse etc) and that their participation in the greek war for independence was mainly a byproduct of the anglofrench war history, american diplomacy at the time (1812-1827) being in a "transcendental" state!

As such, the presence of the "family papyri library" in the hands of Anastasy and his son Yanni is well justified.

THE next question is: Why did Yanni decide to offload to William of Orange their monumental "Αβραχάς-Βάλσαμος-book of Moses" papyrus early 1828 while aware of the marriage of his Cochin Zante cousins to a Balsamo?

Further to his great sense of humor, did he have another reason as well?

That's how and when it happened:

-October 1827: Ibrahim's fleet is destroyed at Navarino.
-January 1828: Fortress Grambusa surrenders after bombardment by british fleet..
-April 1828, consul Jean d'Anastasy's papyri are sold to Leyden

Jingle-bells!

To answer the question "Why did Yanni decide to offload to William of Orange the "monumental" Αβραχάς-Βάλσαμος-book of Moses papyrus while aware of the marriage of his Cochin Zante cousins to a Balsamo?" one really has to examine the US CoZine family, their history...their choices...

Z is # 6 in greek but last in roman alphabet to expell obscene omega (ω). The letter has found little use eversince and, if and when used in a name, it demonstrates terminal zeal (like Zorro's sign), zealot virtue, zymotic moral and zuavian finess, qualities usually found in zoharian-calvinist philosophy.

Z taking the place of CCH results in "COZINE" instead of the original "COCCHINI", (I and E being insignificant):

The name is pronounced same in both cases but, further to previous qualities mentioned, there is simplicity also, six letters instead of eight so, why not?

The Cozines, from a research indicators/pointers perspective, are the true pandora, the Z, of our Announcement:

The concentration of key words, like "Mercer" (county KY, dynasty), "Guilhelmos" (Guilhelmo Cochini, William Caussin, rev John Causse), "Allen" (John Allen, Poe's father), "Abraham, mormon, papyri, Mummies, Smith" (d'Anastasy Cochini, E.A.Poe), is so high that further unfolding them in detail is quite superfluous:
Our subject never was history of religion but the solution to the 1835 murderm as stated

A small review.....

By 1766 prince William Vth rules Holland. During the american revolution England fights Holland for siding with the rebels. (1782 Rite of Mizraim). The Paris treaty of 1783 brings peace but jacobin France conquers Holland next in 1794 and William fleds to Britain. In 1806 Luis Buonaparte becomes King of Holland but resigns in 1810. Treaty of London, 1814, unites Belgium with Holland and the prince of Orange, son of William the Vth, becomes King William I of the Netherlands.

...will refresh the memory of our scholarly american friends and relatives who may then further research the matter themselves to answer perhaps the following "pending" questions:

1. If Joe Smith founded his "Pearl" in 1835, how is it that the Mormon church holds today in microfilm the documents of calvinist rev Cornelius Cozine
(Additions from Jim Cozine Oct 15th 2006 Rev Cornelius Cosine From the Records of the Dutch Reformed Church, Raritan (now Somerville) NJ,
Holland Society of New York (Consistory notes on Raritan, North Branch & Millstone congregations) - Mormon Church FHC Film #3786 ( in 1972)?.

2 If (+ 33 M iv Reverend Cornelius Cosine was born 1718 and died 1786) died in 1786, how is it that the Inventory of his Estate was only taken three years after August 24th 1789 An Inventory of the goods and chattels of the Reverend Cornelius Cozine deceased taken the 24th of August taken by us Francis Cozart, George Williamson and David Beaty executors ?

3 Why is it that the Reverend's name is spelled "Cozine, Kozyn, Cosyn, Cosine"?

4. What was his relation to rev John Caroll's correspondent Rev John Causse, his "Caussin" cousins and their "Caussin Manor"?

5. Who was William "Caussin" and when, why and how did he tranfer the Caussin Manor title to Maryland authorities?

6 Who was Whilelmus Cozine of following web copypasted extract?
COZINE Searching for dates and places of death and burial of Wilhelmus COZINE, of Bergen in 1815 deed. I believe he removed in the early 1800s from Staten Island to Bergen Point, now Hudson County

7.Was he the same as Wilhelmos Cozine who arrived 1776 NY, the same who married 1774, 10 Mar; Elinor Habout and later on (when?) Wilhelmus also married (2) Phebe Vanderbilt, Willima Caussin of Caussin's manor?

As no answers will be forthcoming any time soon, some relative copypastes will follow.

Why, Ingram of course, of Mercer Co, KY, like the Allens!

Else, why would her family name be today ommited from all "authorative sources" who insist on "Allan" but are unable to explain why and how a Mr John Henry Ingram "undertook" on his own to treat dear Edgar like a "Mercer" commodity later-on collecting all "evidence" and publishing next his Memoirs, unable to document his heroe's St Petersburg's presence...

(EUGENE SCHUYLER, St. Petersburg, Russia, ALS to INGRAM 1874 February 2. 1 p. The Secretary of the U. S. Legation reports that a search of the Legation papers from 1820 to 1830 reveals no case involving Edgar A. Poe .
EUGENE SCHUYLER, St. Petersburg, Russia, ALS to INGRAM 1874 February 6. 1 p. The books of the American Consulate have been searched and no record found of Edgar A. Poe having been detained in Russia . )

...failing to research the hows and whys of his strange (1823-1827) US absence and later military behaviour...

He appears to have wandered about for some time, and by some means or the other succeeded in getting a little volume of poems printed “for private circulation only.” This was towards the end of 1827, when he was nearing nineteen. Doubtless Poe expected to dispose of his volume by subscription among his friends, but copies did not go off, and ultimately the book was suppressed, and the remainder of the edition, for “reasons of a private nature,” destroyed.
What happened to the young poet, and how he contrived to exist for the next year or so, is a mystery still unsolved. It has always been believed that he found his way to Europe and met with some curious adventures there, and Poe himself certainly alleged that such was the case. Numbers of mythical stories have been invented to account for this chasm in the poet’s life, and most of them self-evidently fabulous.

In March, 1834, Mr. Allan died, and if our poet had maintained any hopes of further assistance from him, all doubt was settled by the will, by which the whole property of the deceased was left to his second wife and her three sons. Poe was not named. (Memoir Of Edgar Allan Poe by John H. Ingram)
articles.poetryx.com/63

and deciding what was "worth" publishing and what "must be burned"

In the month of May 1844, Josiah Quincy and Charles Adams visited Nauvoo and viewed the Egyptian mummies and talked to Joseph Smith about the records...
..... the mummies and asked about the age of the manuscripts obtained with them it is clear that Joseph Smith and the early Mormons represented the Book of Abraham to have been penned by the very hand of Abraham himself. After Smith's death in June 1844, Franklin D. Richards published a pamphlet in July 1851, entitled, The Pearl of Great Price. In this publication was printed the little Book of Abraham, together with the three facsimile illustrations.

[I]SOME WORDS WITH A MUMMY First Publication:American Review: A Whig Journal, April 1845

" The Cask of Amontillado" published 1846, "Mellonta Tauta", written propably April 1848, Edgar is inspired by George Washington's monument inauguration on October 19th 1847 "under the Auspices of the Washington Monument Association of the City of New York" and mocks directly both the republican system, the brits as well as the next US president Zacchary Taylor.

POE, Fordham, letter to ANNIE RICHMOND, Lowell 1848 November 16. Copy by Mrs. Richmond. 4 pp. Text printed in Letters 2: 400-404. "This must be burnt," written by Ingram on this copy.

1849 In his Anabelle Lee Edgar is still talking of his "Ianthe".

MARIA CLEMM, New York, letter to ANNIE RICHMOND 1849 July 30. Copy by Ingram. 1 p. Tells of Poe's derangement (in Philadelphia ) and of his fancied pursuit by the police. Poe assured her that he never did anything disgraceful while deranged

October 1949 Edgar dies from head injuries..

A Dream Within A Dream (1850) talking of his long lost golden sand grains

About five years after the three facsimiles were published in the Pearl of Great Price a young Egyptologist by the name of M. Theodule Deveria, who was working at the Louvre Museum in Paris...

..proved just how correct and "immortal", Edgar's count Allamistakeo, really was but his "out of tune very red cabbages" never took notice.


Perhaps the best way to end our Poe copypaste exercise is by presenting the following rare "pearl" extracted from Mercer Co KY genealogy forum:

Looking for any information,John married Julia Ann Ingram.My family consists of Allens,Ingram,Herrington.This information would be of great help to me,and all who follows.My family has deep heritage in the state of Kentucky.I would also like any information;on the settlement of any Allens that settled in Texas..and so forth.I am trying to update and start a family Tree..One that is about our family history in the eastern part of the U.S. thank you Terry L. Allen{great-grandson of John Allen}http://resources.rootsweb.com/~guest...=1&action=view

Part I

Websearching for the identity of Rev John Caroll's correspondent Rev John Causse leads us to back to Benjamin Franklin who, apparently, did not at all miss his "Cochin etc" Paris friends and intimate associates because, as soon as he set foot on american soil, he was in touch with them again!

Rev John Causse, as per Biographical Annals of Lancaster County, Pa., Beers, 1903, p. 216, is:

JOHN BAPTISTE CAUSSE. In 1787 the priest in charge of the Catholic Church in Lancaster was John Baptiste Causse, a Recollet Franciscan, known in the order as Father Fidenteaieus. He had been stationed at Lancaster in 1785, having come there from near Philadelphia, presumably Mt. Airy. He was a man of considerable ability and took a great interest in educational matters, and in 1787, when the "German Charity School," subsequently Franklin College, was founded, he was one of its first trustees, his name appearing as such on the minutes of the Board. He became rebellious, however, against Bishop Carroll, and in 1791 he was formally excommunicated by that Bishop, being the first Catholic clergyman in the United States to be excommunicated. In 1789 he had walked from Lancaster to where St. Vincent's Abbey is located on the Alleghany mountains and purchased the land upon which that abbey is located for five shillings.

"Recollet" is not to be found in our concise Oxford dictionary but the word obviously derives from "recollect": ie one who "succeed to remembering, recall to mind"...etc.

As per Franklin College Records......

1787 (March 10): Pennsylvania legislature grants charter and act of incorporation for "Franklin College".....Trustees nominated in the charter include: four signers of the Declaration of Independence, three members of the Constitutional Convention, and seven officers of the Revolutionary War.
.....
1787 (October): Franklin College is divided into the German Department with advanced students, and the English Department with high school and college students.
...............
1790: The federal constitution is ratified. Benjamin Franklin is dead at the age of eighty-four. George Washington is president of the United States, and the new nation is struggling with the debts of war. Many of the original Philadelphia sponsors have lost interest in the new college. The Lutheran and Reformed churches are also without money, and financial support for the college nearly disappears.

Thus father John B.Causse kept his "recollet jesuit" status while Franklin was alive but lost it immediately after his death.

Was he perhaps of german descend, as german "Causse" websites wants us to believe (failing though to claim him) or was he a "Cozine-Cosine-Cozyntsen" and what not, dutchman, (also disowned by the "Cozine genealogy" site)?

To answer this rather "ethnicaly delicate" question, one has to visit Pittsburg, Ohio, close to Luisville, the town names indicatory of the anglofrench struggle that determined father Causse's "alleghanic" allegiances, alienating aliances and allegoric aliases.

Alleluia!

(Heb: Halleluyah=praise ye Yehovah but the word derives form greek "allos"-other, hence allergy, allopathy etc!)

Following the solution of the main "family puzzles" and with relative conclusions reached re the existence of two, distinctly different, family groups pre 1790s, the "easterners" and the "westerners", the decision to solve their "american" mysteries as well is only justified by the discovery of a great number of their local descendants and their moving efforts to find the origins and the history of their ancestors, evident in many relevant web publications and forum queries and discussions.

It really makes no difference otherwise to this "story" if german oriented sites claim the "Causse- Little Germany-Egg Harbor, N.J" family as one of their own (forgetting "recollet" Rev John Causse), while the dutch insist on the "Gerritsen" origins of their "Cozyns" (and forget him too), others
(see 1* http://www.accessible.com/amcnty/PA/...oreland41.htm: Author (Albert, George Dallas, editor, L. H. Everts & Company: Philadelphia PA, 1882)...
....claim his name was Causey and had come to Alleghany from Mercer Co, Conewago and that his "true jesuit" successor Rev Bruwer's name was also Brower (see note *34 on the founding of Pittsburg;s Saint Vincent) while they all forget, in harmony, the Caussins, their Manor (Nicolas Caussin, Ignatius etc) and its "secret" (Causse-William Cozine-Caussin etc etc)!

It makes no difference because, by their decision to call themselves "Mercer Dynasty", our "french Cochins" declare practicaly their monrovian provenance, that they are in fact the descendants of a 1608 Concino "affair" in the "Lower countries", that their ancestors returned to Paris France via Egg Harbor, New York and not vise versa and, as such, that they are indeed quite a different species than the "italian" cousins, the Cocchis, the Percevals and Saint Germain himself, they met there..

It makes no difference because all this was known already to readers of this thread!

Even if the am genealogical fuss on the web brings to mind prophet Abraham's own family tree somehow, the sincerity of the courageous efforts of the authors of.... 2*.http://members.aol.com/vorhiesm/agreement.html
3*.http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb....age3/amack.htm
4*.http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb....ine/aqwg04.htm
...cannot but be complimented and appreciated and this author, having studied in the meantime their works as well as ..
5*. http://www.catholicity.com/encyclope...ittsburgh.html

...thanks them and further wishes to advise as follows:

-There is no doubt whatsoever that "recollet" Rev John Baptiste Causse of Conewago is the same as John C. Cozine, son of Rev Cornelius Cozine or Cosine of NJ (until 1780 or so) and Conewago (next) whose records are to be found in the Mormon Church (propably via the Rev Joseph Smith mentioned in 1* above).
-Further investigating the "strange" circumstances of Rev Cornelius's 1786 death of unknown date, his will and legacy, his last wife's (Brower) 1788 marriage to his (will's) executor, Samuel Demaree and the provenance of Rev "Bruwer's" 1789 "Alleghany" wealth, is not of particular importance re papyri or mummies (such items, the mummies in particular, came 1827-8 to the States)....

BUT...

-the true identity of Rev John Causse's predecessor, a Rev Baron Denys who first appears...
"at Fort Duquesne, at the confluence of the Allegheny and Monongahela Rivers"
....towards the end of 1755 does indeed concern us because:

-While 5* above describes...
Jacques-Denis Cochin A preacher and philanthropist, born in Paris, 1 January, 1726; died there 3 June, 1783. His father, Claude-Denis Cochin (d. 1786), was a famous botanist. Jacques-Denis followed a course of theological studies in the Sorbonne and was graduated with the degree of Doctor. In 1755 he was ordained priest. The next year he was given charge of the parish of Saint-Jacques-du-Haut-Pas. There he spent his whole life working for the material as well as the spiritual betterment of his people...etc

...and the good author of the (Catholic Encyclopedia) article did indeed provide the significant (1755) date, he forgot to tell us that father Claude Cochin, dying same year as father Cornelius Cozine, was enobled by the french King in 1748 for "some" services rendered, obviously other than "gardening".... .

Blason: Cochin - Claude-Denis, 1748. - D'azur, au chevron d'or, accompagné an chef de deux coqs d'or et en pointe d'une tour d'argent.

-As such, "Rev Baron Denys", also labelled "recollet" by the praiseworthy author of 1* (who, however also forgot to justify such label), cannot but be the same as the charitable founder of The Cochin Hospital....

- thus justifying the labor of 1*'s author as well as the title of www.accessible.com and the am confusion of descendants today.

We'll stay on the subject a while...

We'll let our american cousins decide themselves if Rev Cornelius Cosine (botanist Claude Cochin) really did die in 1786 and did not just "dissappear" in view of particular events taking place then, events that also decided the fate both of "Caussin's manor" in Maryland as well as his last wife's and "orphans".

Enough information has already been provided, enough leads, links and pointers have been published herein, no need for another detailed timeline from our side.

The following are noteworthy:

-The existence of two "Corneliuses": Cornellus Cosine-"Cozynzen" born 1696 (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb....qwg02.htm#247C) and reverend Cornelius Cosine-"Cosynszen" born 1718.
(http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb....aqwg04.htm#115)

-The "inside knowledge" of the author of "Observations sur les Sauvages du Nord de l'Amerique", printed in Dijon by "Causse", 1795 including The letters to Franklin, addressed to Madame **, dated Passy, 1778 and 1779"

-The existence (in above site ) of a "Balm" Johnson Cozine, the name sounding awfully familiar (Balsamo), an indication of the first "Cochin-Balsamo" link, sometime in 1760 or so, ie soon after Giuseppe Balsamo&Co's visit to Egypt.

-Their marriages to every Monrovian name in the book, among which the Demotts or "La Mottes" (Johannes DeMott... Mercer Co., KY, 42 jaar oud....op 31-10-1793 in Harrodsburg, Mercer Co., KY met Anna Cozine, 16 jaar oud...geboren op 04-12-1776 in Conewago, NY, dochter van Cornelius Cozine) (http://members.chello.nl/f.demoet/demotttekst.htm) indicating that the Revernd was in Conewago much earlier than the land purchase.

On June 23, 1784 the Bavarian Elector, Karl Theodor, forbids his subjects to be members of secret or unauthorized associations, John Carroll writes to Cardinal Leonardo Antonelli 3/1/1785. Rev. Robert Molyneux writes to Carroll, 3/28/1785. Carroll writes to Rev. Charles Whelan 4/16/1785. General Convent of Masons in Paris convoked by the secret committee for February 15, 1785. Savalette de Langes elected president....

Jan. 6, 1785:The Pennsylvania Gazette A sloop from Egg Harbour, belonging to Mr. Causse, after being twenty days out, was drove on shore near Beaufort, North Carolina; the crew saved: She was bound to Hispaniola (Haiti)

Letter to John Carroll from Propaganda Fide 7/23/1785, letter from Carroll to Rev. Francis Neale, 6/17/1785, Ben.Franklin leaves Passy July 1785.

No reference to the sailing capability (supremacy) of the family has been found in any of am "sources", let alone the full identities of sloop owner and crew.

Happy New Year!

If Claude Cochin(+1786), the french royal baron-gardener, was Mercer Co calvinist Rev Cornelius Cosine(+1786) and if recollet Baron Denys of 1755 Fort Duquesne was the alleged jesuit priest of jacobin Saint Jacques, Jacques Denys Cochin (+1783), then:

1. Did Rev Cornelius have a son named Jacques?
2. What's the "Cosine" web version of "recollet" Rev John Causse, friend of Franklin, ie of Rev CC's other son, John C. Cosine (1762-?) and
3. Do his genealogy data confirm or not such a double identity?

1. Searching through http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cozine we note that Rev CC has no son by that name. There are furthemore not just two Corneliuses, as previously stated, but five or six, of which one at least, a Cornellus(1722/25-1774) son of Cornellus (1696-?) has no known issue and, like his father and family, is insufficiently documented. A "Jacques" son of the first Cornellus is possibly the explanation.
2. John C.Cosine (1762-?) is not at all well documented in above site:
Birth dates and details for his four sons (Cornelius 1785, William 1786, John C.jr 1799, Garret ?) and three daughters (Sarah 1787, Ann.M. 1800, Sally 1807) are not backed up by baprism records or other official documents whereas his 1814 marriage to his only wife, Anna Smock, confirms the confusion. Of note John C. jr and his "The day-book account: A journey from Harrodsburg, Kentucky to New York, and return, September 10th through November 27th, 1828" . John C. was authorised by the family to search a "missing fortune", obviously Caussin's Manor.
3. As such John's data tend to confirm his dauble identity but further search is required.

Such search resulted to:

Bond (1795) between John B. Causey, S.J., and Christian Roofner [Assignment of same by Christian Roofner to James Pellentz, S.J.];
http://www.library.georgetown.edu/de...l/f119%7D9.htm

leading to the conclusion that

a) Caussin's manor was the family property.

b) Following his 1791 excommunication by Caroll, John C. did remain until 1795 in the US and then vanished (as other european pointers indicate) leaving a large family behind including the orphans of his late Rev father Cornelius.

c) The library curator, georgetown.edu may now have the pleasure of answering the rhetoric question:

Why does he still name him "Causey" and why does he still place him in the Society of Jesus (S.J) if Caroll excomunicated him in 1791?

Part I
Further noteworthy:
a) John Balm Cozine, born around 1723-1727, was perhaps not the son of Cornellus as per following extract .. Thought to be the son of Jan(John)Cozyn and Christina(Van Dalen)Shelton.Parents not documented.Died of yellow fever September 15, 1798 he...
b)...was nevertheless Appointed judge of the New York Supreme Court ..and... John married Margaret Roosevelt on 1774.)
c) A 1784 -5 Cozine marriage to the Vanderbilts and
d) A 1799 marriage of John Roosevelt Cozine, Balm's son, to a Rebecca Bush but J.R.C. dissappears sometime around 1818.
e)A George Washington Cozean, born 1802, possibly son of John Roosevelt Cozine by unknown second wife.

we conclude that our "recollet" jesuit-ex calvinist american cousins climb up society's ladder while in Europe....

1791 Avignon The National Assembly sent mediators (May 1791) who assembled, in Bedarrides, delegates from the communes of the Comtat and Avignon. On August 18, 1791, they voted by a large majority integration into France, ratified by the National Assembly on September 14, 1791.
(Jean Mallinger che studiò molto approfonditamente le origini del Rito di Misraïm, avendo avuto la possibilità di consultare numerosi antichi documenti, conferma che questo stesso Rito era praticato in Italia e nelle isole del mediterraneo prima del 1789 e che i suoi ultimi gradi venivano praticati in due forme diverse l’una dall’altra cioè: "una prima forma rituale era costituita da un regime filosofico-kabbalistico, praticato e diffuso dai Fratelli Bedarride;")
1793 Marie Anoinette's execution..
1795 Triple alliance against Napoleon. Death of Cagliostro Balsamo in August.
1796 G.Canning is appoinred assistant minister of foreign affairs. Napoleon is on his way to conquer Italy.

(continued in Part II next)

Part II

Back to France, in 1795, we are faced with the guillotined Cochin(1) and Cassins-Cassignys(8), the rise to power of the Dijon jacobin printers, the Causses, the 1790 conversion (and subsequent destruction) of roman catholic Saint Benoit to a horse feed storage....while, at the same time, the intention of late Rev-Baron- Jaques-Denys Cochin is publicaly declared to create a charity house for the Paris orphans, possibly including some of his american nephews and nieces.

1795-1801 The Cochini, already long active in Hydra, becomes active as from this period in Zante as well and , further to previously mentioned Hydra facts:

1797 October: Anastasy of Lazarus Cochini's first ever appearance in Hydra's archive: With Dim.Tsamados they are recorded presenting their large sailship (a "pollaca") to the ottoman admiral for allowing them to return to Hydra. Captain of the ship is an Anagnostis Causse (Kiosse) not mentioned in previous source(grk encyclopedia Helios) .
(The same month the treaty of Campoformio delivers Venice and Dalmatia to Austria and the concept of Two Sicilies is abandoned.)..
1798 Smyrne-Bornova: Charles Constantine LA FONTAINE, baptised 14th October , son of James and Nicolette Cochine- daugther of Lazarus.
(Napoleon sets foot in Malta and Egypt, his fleet is lost at Abukir, the Sultan declares war to France)
1799 March: The noble archon (ευγενέστατος άρχων) Lazarus Dim. Cochini grants another loan to Hydra's towncouncil of 7525 grosia at 15% yearly. Although he still is Russia's consul, he propably lives elsewhere at the time.

1801 September 2nd: 64 Gun "Causse" Captured, by a combined British and Turkish force at the capitulation of Alexandria
(2 April - Battle of Copenhagen, 19 May - Godoy's troops enter Portugal, 17 June - the Czar Alexander I signed a peace treaty with Great Britain.14 July-The 13,600 French soldiers, academics and others began leaving Cairo. 31 August - French forces remaining under Menou in Alexandria surrender to the British. In return for capitulating, French troops were returned home on British warships.)

1802-1807 Anastasy is Russia's consul in Hydra and
1812-5 Anastasy "de Perceval" serves Napoleon under Marechal Mortier.

Next Jorge and the Hercules (Epihany #2)

For the first time eversince he left the isle two centuries ago, Jorge, standing in front of the Museum next to the port his brazen eyes facing the sea, is finally smiling under his big moustache, so say at least his friends, the mules, Hydra's only means of transport, stationed before him.

Eversince he was presented to Hydra by Evita Peron in 1947 Jorge, suffering silently the indifferent tourists and the ignorant mule guides, had to wait till 2005 for his "official" recognition and, this here very thread, for his story to be made public.

Simply "Jorge", molded in the bronze, that's what they decided to call him, back then in Argentina when Evita ordered his statue, a bust, be made to commemorate the "other" greek, the hydrian, who, together with Samuel Spyrou from Lesvos, arrived under "mysterious" conditions in Argentina, sometime in 1813 and, fighting alongside William Brown, liberated Argentina of its spanish origins and Bourbon links.

When the bust arrived in Hydra, the town council decided his name was really Nicolas George Colmaniati, placed a relevant plate on top and infuriated him even more.

The Colmaniati= Nicolo Cochini link already made by 2000, it was only thanks to the argentinian soccer star, Fabrizio Coloccini who, quite unconventionaly from a historians perspective, finally came, via the TV the 16th of June 2005 while playing with "squadra Milan", to the rescue of his greatgrandfather, reconfirming and crosschecking this, imposiible for an argentinian, name to the undersigned who then advised Hydra authorities that "their Nicolas-Jorge" was "our" Giorgio, son of Nicolo Cochini, the 1790 corsair of previous posts.

Serving 1813-14 as flag officer of the flagship Hercules and captain of the Trinidad under the irishman, Jorge was next made a squadron leader in the war against Brazil 1825-1828 and then lived and died in Argentina, quite poor, the 24th August, 1866, 82 years old. (Hydra publications, 1937-1951, from Argentine navy records).

"Scholarly authorities" may now also take notice of the following:

..the Brown family emigrated to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania in the United States, about 1786... One morning while wandering along the banks of the Delaware River, (William) he met the Captain of a ship then moored in port. The Captain enquired if he wanted employment and Brown answered yes. The Captain then and there engaged him as a cabin boy, thereby setting him on the naval promotion ladder, where he worked his way to the captaincy of a Merchant vessel. (http://william-brown.brainsip.com/)

.....the russian build and heavily equipped (64 guns for a merchanman!!) "Hercules" (http://www.celinaferreyra.com.ar/ing.../historias.htm )....

....the presence of "flagofficer Jorge" in such critical times onboard such a vessel on her way to such a delicate mission...

....after the "discovery" of the Cozine US family....their relations to "Monrovians" in general, the Roozevelts....

Nicholas Roosevelt of a family later famous, built a steamboat which in 1811 ran from Pittsburgh clear through to New Orleans and back.. http://amstd.spb.ru/Library/kom/ch9_11.htm...

...and the Vanderbilts (see Commodore-Nicaragua etc ) in particular....

...the members of the club, that organised-and benefited from-the greek frigates fiasco, still "unknown"....

....the whole matter pointing to the "Cozine" participation in the "Boston tea party"....

..anyhow....

As at the time his uncle Anastasy "de Perceval" was serving in the french war ministry, captain Jorge certainly brought Hercules from Russia to New York-Boston where...

In December 1813, the Minister of War Juan Larrea signed an agreement with Boston-born Guillermo Pío White (Pedro Lezica's partner), by which the latter was to provide the means for a naval squad that could ensure success against the Spanish naval forces.John Goodfellow's and William P. White's signatures on the original pay bill. John Goodfellow sold the Hercules, her cargo (ninety tons of salt and sixty tons of charcoal), as well as her Russian papers....Most likely, the Hercules arrived in Buenos Aires in about 1813 although there are no documents availing this.

As such the 1838 marriage of our George Washington Cozean, son of John Roosevelt Cozine to Eliza Jane White on 1838. Eliza was born about 1820. (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb....qwg09.htm#449)....

....calls for further examination of the matter by those more concerned than yours-most intimately-truly, amply rewarded by Jorge's first smile.

CORRECTION

Authors of the following sites, documenting:

-Rev Cornelius Conewago presence "at least as early as 1769"
-The "uncertaintly" re his exact date of passing and the fate of his estate thereafter...

Heads of families listed in 1769 Conewago, York Co PA church records included: Cornelius Coysn (Antje’s father), Jacob Smock, Jr, Abram Smock, Bernard (Barent/Barney) Smock, etc. [The Rev. Cornelius Cozine was the first regular minister of the Dutch Reformed Church of Conewago; he is buried in the northernmost cemetery in Conewago, the site of the old church.] http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb....less/smock.htm

In 1610, a Pieter Bodijn and his wife Maria Cosijns bought a grave inside this church. This grave was transferred to their son, Abraham Bodijn in the mid-1600's. Their will, mentioned in the Archive Room, also names a son Peter Bodine, Jr. To the left is a picture of St. Peter's Church. See the page about the results of my research trip to Leiden for more about Bodine records from this church. It's located in the Archive Room.

The earliest settlers in the colony came in 1765....The Conewago ....Reformed Dutch Church was built at the north end of the colony. The preserved baptism records indicate that the church was organized at least as early as 1769.

Rev. Cornelius Cosine (Cozine) owned two separate tracts of land under application No. 5203 dated 3 Oct 1768. ....Warrant dates of 3 Oct 1767 and....Both tracts were called "Pleasant Plain."
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb....odine/n494.htm

..are hereby thanked and complimented.

The P.Bodin-M.Cosijns line is obviously not the product of a "Concino" affair in the lower countries but something else, possibly a sister or cousin, but there are unfortunately no sources re how many family members followed Concino to Paris in 1600 and if some had arrived shortly before.

Where exactly is Rev Cornelius buried is another matter alltogether.

A lot of what you post is made up of logical abstracts of general findings from research.. I can't add my two cents to the issue due to my obtrusive lack of foreground knowledge on this subject but you would receive far more sophisticated and enlightening replies on a forum predominantly visited by posters who are appealed to the deciphering of meticulous details in classic mysteries.

Silence, the merest word of all!
(Edgar AllEn Poe)
Thanks anyhow.

Why did Yanni decide to offload-sell to William of Orange the "monumental" Αβραχάς-Βάλσαμος-book of Moses papyrus (early 1828) while aware of the marriage of his Cochin Zante cousins to a Balsamo?
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb....odine/n494.htm links the "Concino's" Cozines directly to 1600's Leiden but there is a lot more to it than that:

As the convenient, purely profit motivated, "armenian collector" Yanni may have, until now, allowed theosophising aegyptologists their beauty sleep and laurels but, as the de Perceval-Valbelle and, moreover, as Champollion's friend and associate and, moreover as the one who provided in 1828 sufficient evidence to cripple Origenes's "structure", continued till now by the particular "west leaning orientalists", all in convenient positions of authority (all somehow related, one way or another, to Yanni's western part of the family and their "associates", their names not listed herein for reasons of etiquette only) this "new" Yanni now becomes the needle in the eye of their microscope if not the spark to light the purgatory fire and clean up their long frozen inferno.

Poor Giuseppe Balsamo: Last in the chain of command, first to fall in their Mizraim line of duty, victim to his own limitations and alliances, we'd ask him, had he been alive, just two questions:

Why did he select Rome this particular period of 1787-1789 and how did "His highly prized manuscript of Egyptian Masonry was seized, together with all his papers and correspondence" look like when "Suddenly, on the evening of December 27, 1789, he and his wife were arrested by the agents of the Inquisition and imprisoned in the castle of St. Angelo".

The first question is related to his 1785 confession, when arrested in Paris, that he had previously worked as "copyist" for cardinals York (Stuart) and Orsini, a confession that allowed his friends, at the time, to get his release and, as above, keep his precious "egyptian manuscript", the "monumental forgery" in all propability. Why did he select Rome? Did he really still have "friends" there, was he not satisfied already with his work, already evident in Paris ...

1789 On 23 June the Second Estate (4 bishops and 149 priests) threw in their lot with the Third Estate, but the King, instead of meeting their wishes, ordered out the National Guard against them. The citizens of Paris revolted and, on 14 July, stormed the Bastille. Many social changes followed, Church property was nationalized and non-charitable religious orders (Saint Benoit vs Saint Jacques?)Hand monasteries were closed. On 27 August the new French Assembly issued the Declaration of the Rights of Men, viz.: Liberte, Egalite, Fraternite.

He was no fool, Giuseppe, dying a martyr's death was totaly foreign to his jewish-sicilian character and the time spent in Italy too long to persuade us of the opposite.

On the other hand, his true aegyptological credentials were no more than what his "Αβραχάς-Βάλσαμος" papyrus now shows: a large enough PGM scroll, crudely interfered upon, the one sought for by his Leiden "mercer" friends, the one in the hands of Yanni AFTER 1815.

And, as we have seen already, Napoleon, who went as far as to arrest Pius VI along with his trusted cardinal, the aegyptology expert and manuscript collector Stefano Borgia, was in excellent terms with the De Percevals to his fall.

(part II following)

Stefano Borgia, 1770 secretary of the Congregation de Propaganda Fide, an office of which he naturally took advantage to acquire antiquities by the help of the missionaries...a cardinal in 1789...In the troubled period of the French invasion Borgia was given charge of Rome by Pius VI (1797-98). ....he was arrested (1798), but quickly released, whereupon he immediately resumed his studies and work of collecting; soon afterwards he joined Pius VI at Vallencia and endeavoured to have this pontiff send to Asia and Africa a body of missionaries who would preach the Gospel and gather various monuments.

General Berthier marched to Rome, entered it unopposed on 13 February 1798, and, proclaiming a republic, demanded of the pope the renunciation of his temporal authority. Upon his refusal he was taken prisoner, and on February 20 was escorted from the Vatican to Siena, and thence to the Certosa near Florence. The French declaration of war against Tuscany led to his removal, though by this time incredibly ill, by way of Parma, Piacenza, Turin and Grenoble to the citadel of Valence, where he died six weeks later, on August 29, 1799.

After Pius VI died in exile, Cardinal Borgia was of the greatest service to Pope Pius VII...In 1801 he was made Rector of the Collegium Romanum, and he was in the retinue of Pius VII when this pontiff went to France to crown the new emperor Napoleon. Having arrived at Lyons, Cardinal Borgia was taken ill and died. After his death his collection of Coptic manuscripts was divided: the non-Biblical manuscripts were taken to Naples and placed in the Biblioteca Barbonica, now the Biblioteca Nazional; and the Biblical manuscripts, excepting a few which were taken to Naples by mistake, given to the Propaganda....

We could go on listing the team of true orientalists working under Cardinal Borgia, his "fame" for not being carefull enough disposing his papyri around to other scholars more interested in science than theology, his friendship with Goethe, etc etc, but this goes beyond this forums limits as well as our 1835 object, so we'll just have to live with this "theory" re the provenance of the specific papyrus in Yanni's hands, a theory explaining his later treatment of the papyrus as well as the high "market value" of the "document".


Part III following

Yanni had already sold to the Louvre, via Henry Salt, a part of his collection in 1826 and was certainly in a difficult spot immediately after (1827), his old world gone, his father fighting the brits to the very end in Grambusa, the american frigate fiasco fully unfolded, their fortune "lost at sea", no chance to reclaim their french properties from Charles X, puppet of the British-Monrovian alliance, no more "egyptian interest" exhibited by Leopold of Austria, no chance of reclaiming his Florence-Venice property either, oh yes, he certainly was in urgent need of cash then but there were so many more "good" (scientific greek) papyri to dispose of, why did he sell this particular one incriminating his cousins?.

Well educated, extremely bright and, by then, an "aegyptologist" himself, Yanni certainly knew of the "Βάλσαμος improvement" on his "Αβραχάς papyrus", was propably also the original owner of Antonio Lebolo's 1826 mummies and was certainly aware of the PGM contents of the specific papyrus, later Jo Smith's "Book of Moses" and the use made thereof by his-Leiden rooted- Cozine american "PGM" cousins (including "Balm" Johnson and family as well as the beforementioned couple Demetrio-Giacomo de Dion. Cochini, noble de Zante et Anna, fille de Giorgio Balsamo, noble de Zante) re the "production" of a "most suitable" religion for the next "Promised Land".

Had he been in friendly terms with them he would have either refrained all together from selling the specific papyrus or, at least, he would have sold it in one piece to Leiden where William of Orange, already persuaded by Balsamo and hosting his descendants at the time, was also favourably inclined towards the Leiden Cozines and their western aspirations.

But Yanni did not do so: He sold part only of "Abraxas" to Leiden, other parts later on to other buyers, thus making sure, or so he thought, their "crime", for destroying "his East" for "their West", would soon be known.

He did not see it happening while alive but, as angels often do, he is also smiling now, a little brighter perhaps than his cousin Jorge.

This reply is for Yanni (postings 141-150) concerning the specuation that the ancestors of the Rev Cornelius Cozine of Conewago Colony in York Co. PA, (b 1718-d1786) are other than that which is posted at the Cozine Family website. I'm Jim Cozine (a 5th ggs of the Rev) and one of the main reseachers among the descendants group known as the Dutch Couisns - I think we can dismiss all your ideas with data in hand ( but not posted at the website). If you want to know more email me at [email protected]

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Originally Posted by Jim Cozine

This reply is for Yanni (postings 141-150) concerning the specuation that the ancestors of the Rev Cornelius Cozine of Conewago Colony in York Co. PA, (b 1718-d1786) are other than that which is posted at the Cozine Family website. I'm Jim Cozine (a 5th ggs of the Rev) and one of the main reseachers among the descendants group known as the Dutch Couisns - I think we can dismiss all your ideas with data in hand ( but not posted at the website). If you want to know more email me at [email protected]

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Hmm, very interesting :)

In this particular case, Jim, (nice knowing you btw), facts on/actions by our forfathers, as laid out and logicaly (honouring "Logos") explained in previous text, are far "stronger", from the point of view of documentation, than birth records and other such data, "not already on the web" in particular.
Should you however wish to dispute any part of previous presentation, please do it herein, in public, including your explanation re
-Rev John "Causey"
-Caussin's manor
-the "unknown family sailor",
-the unknown "Washington" mother of George Washington Cozean, born 1802

AND.

-Cuszine (Cozine), John, 1:26(http://gwpapers.virginia.edu/index/colonial/list.html)
-” The judges and lawyers were followed by “John Lawrence, John Cozine, and Robert Troup, bearing the new Constitution elegantly engrossed on vellum, and ten students of law followed....."
http://www.bartleby.com/238/22.html#noteFN102

A new religion and a new constitution too?

The matter calls for an exclusively public discussion and there are quite a few
more things still "open".

BTW "Yanni's" name is Toni Cokkini, Athens, Greece.

To the memory of Sir Robert Dudley, navigator, customer of Cocchini printers, Florence!


http://www.answers.com/topic/dell-arcano-del-mare:. "The six-volume work covered navigation, shipbuilding and astronomy, with 130 maps in two volumes (nos. 2 and 6) . Unlike the vast majority of his contemporaries, Dudley's maps are all his own and were not copied from other mapmakers."

http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/people/A0829311.html "Robert Dudley's D' America XXXIII, the final chart in his Dell' Arcano del Mare of 1647, depicts the coastline of the region now called Cascadia -- northern California, Oregon, Washington, and, possibly, Vancouver Island. Strongly linked to Francis Drake's 1577-80 voyage of circumnavigation, the chart provides intriguing hints of other, unrecorded voyages into the waters of this coast. Even now, more than 350 years after it was drawn, it harbors several unresolved mysteries. "

Is the "Cuszine" gentleman below.....

-Cuszine (Cozine), John, 1:26(http://gwpapers.virginia.edu/index/colonial/list.html)
-” The judges and lawyers were followed by “John Lawrence, John Cozine, and Robert Troup, bearing the new Constitution elegantly engrossed on vellum, and ten students of law followed....."
http://www.bartleby.com/238/22.html#noteFN102
A new religion and a new constitution too?

...the same as John Balm Cozine?

Then- speculating ofcourse-his biographicaal details must be well known to american researchers, his choice for the "balm" name, his legal references, the University he graduaded from etc....

BTW are mormons the same as "amis" ? If they are, then their society's name points to France (Les Amis) as well.