Is the White Male Under Attack?

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Originally Posted by DanielBenoit

That is indeed not an exaggeration. As I have shown in previous posts, variables such as hate crimes against whites have decreased significantly in the past 15 years. It is because of the current state of the economy that it is socially predictable that certain groups will try to blame their problems on minorities. (I hate using Nazi Germany examples, but that is what Germany did in reaction to the deep economic depression they found themselves in after WWI. They scapegoated the Jewish people as greedy capitalists who had stolen all of their money.)



Yeah let's go back to those good old days fifty years ago when we got things like this:

http://www.psywar.org/psywar/images/race_lynching.jpg

http://www.downshoredrift.com/downsh...rehose1963.jpg

http://www.sezin.org/wp-content/uplo...hites-only.jpg

Oh those good old days! So much less liberal.



I don't think it is me who needs an education. I am nothing up shocked and appalled that you would say such an ignorant thing about blacks. They're humans too you know! You have insulted every single black man or women alive and you should be ashamed of yourself.

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Just in case you didn't know. I suggest you follow the associated links where you will find plenty of other examples.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRqLVjOuSWQ

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Originally Posted by Brian Bean

Just in case you didn't know. I suggest you follow the associated links where you will find plenty of other examples.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRqLVjOuSWQ

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What exactly is your point?

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Originally Posted by Propter W.

What exactly is your point? Find examples of what? Of crimes?

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You know full well what the point is but I will spell it out for you.

Examples of blacks killing whites. As opposed the the reverse shown in in the pictures submitted by DanielBenoit.

Inflammatory accounts of an isolated incident=not evidence. According to the 1999 FBI statistics on hate crimes, violence perpetrated by whites (1 in 45) against blacks was nearly 28 times more likely than violence perpetrated by blacks against whites (1 in 1254).
In 2008, the FBI found that not only were Hate Crimes as a whole on the rise (up 2% to 7,7.83), crimes against blacks increased 8% over the previous year to 2,876. Blacks were also the target of 72% of race-based crimes.*

Is the point that a heinous crime didn't get covered properly on the news? Yeah, what happened to those kids really sucks. But considering all involved were convicted (one sentenced to death, two to life in prison without parole, one to 18 years who was not involved in a lot of the crime and one to 53 years who gave evidence) and there was extensive coverage of it locally, I really don't think this is what you're looking for.*2
There was also no indication that the crime was racially motivated or anything other than violence for the sake of violence. It began as a carjacking. Assuming that a violent event occurred solely because the victims were white and the perpetrators were black is dangerous territory.

Does every murder need to be published on the national news? Hell no.
There are some really brutal crimes, targeted against people of all races, not just whites or blacks, that go unloved by the media. Some really bad crimes go down less than fifteen minutes from my house that never get covered outside of Worcester County or Massachusetts.
Heard of Alex F. Scesny? No? He was a serial killer active in my home county who raped and murdered several prostitutes. Pretty bad, but only covered locally.
You may have heard of Darlene Haynes, an 8 month pregnant woman who was murdered for the purpose of stealing her fetus (!!!), but coverage of that event on the national scale was also fairly light, mostly tabloid or small blurbs.
The point is, so many people get murdered for so many reasons things that are pretty bad get ignored because the news wants to focus on other things.
The idea that every single mass media outlet conspired to not cover something is ludicrous. It just got overlooked.

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Examples of blacks killing whites. As opposed the the reverse shown in in the pictures submitted by DanielBenoit.

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...And a completely different scenario. Daniel posted pictures of organized violence perpetrated against blacks by a large number of people (hell, a community) that was racially motivated. You posted a video of some fat guy complaining about two murders that were not necessarily racially motivated (see above) or perpetrated by a large, semi-organized mob.

*Personally, I don't like using the Hate Crimes Stats since the concept of a "hate" crime seems a little silly and a whole host of other reasons. But here, since it's showing an increasing trend compared to previous statistics, I'll use it.


*2:http://www.knoxnews.com/news/news/lo...ewsom-murders/

Anyway, I'm off to go watch some football (GO NAVY BEAT EVERYBODY).

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Originally Posted by Brian Bean

You know full well what the point is but I will spell it out for you.

Examples of blacks killing whites. As opposed the the reverse shown in in the pictures submitted by DanielBenoit.

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What you see in that picture are lynchings of black people. Thousands of black people (and white people who aided black people) were lynched. Punishment for those crimes was very unusual. Generally, the perpetrators were not even arrested. These crimes are mentioned in one breathe with Jim Crow laws and segregation. One reason why black people were being murdered was to dissuade them from voting.

How can you compare a random but extreme act of violence to that?

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Originally Posted by Propter W.

What you see in that picture are lynchings of black people. Thousands of black people (and white people who aided black people) were lynched. Punishment for those crimes was very unusual. Generally, the perpetrators were not even arrested. These crimes are mentioned in one breathe with Jim Crow laws and segregation. One reason why black people were being murdered was to dissuade them from voting.

How can you compare a random but extreme act of violence to that?

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Black Panthers

Yes, I can agree that the sins of the past were wrong. The point of this thread is that such things against the white male have begun. Do we have to have murders against whites occur before we do anything? Well, they have begun.

Hate Crimes

Hate Crimes

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Originally Posted by Propter W.

What you see in that picture are lynchings of black people. Thousands of black people (and white people who aided black people) were lynched. Punishment for those crimes was very unusual. Generally, the perpetrators were not even arrested. These crimes are mentioned in one breathe with Jim Crow laws and segregation. One reason why black people were being murdered was to dissuade them from voting.

How can you compare a random but extreme act of violence to that?

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Black crimes against whites are not random acts of violence, they are well-documented for those who are interested. I can give you two examples from personal experience, so you can spare to me the bleeding heart stories about how hard done by they are or were. At least you live in a country where people can openly speak out against blacks attacking whites. FOR THE MOMENT!

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Originally Posted by Brian Bean

Black crimes against whites are not random acts of violence, they are well-documented for those who are interested. I can give you two examples from personal experience, so you can spare to me the bleeding heart stories about how hard done by they are or were. At least you live in a country where people can openly speak out against blacks attacking whites. FOR THE MOMENT!

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If you can show me the documentation that proves that these 'black crimes' are racially motivated and connected by a larger sentiment of black supremacy, please do.

You don't know where I live, what I can say or what colour my skin has.

First I would like to direct everyone to Hurricanes wonderful post above, which pretty much would've been my reply to Mr. Brian Bean.

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Originally Posted by stlukesguild

I think "affirmative action" does a disservice to everybody, especially those it's meant to "help," but it's been overblown and misrepresented, as has this whole concept of "white male victimization." For the record, I think giving a hiring advantage or "extra points" to a minority/female is wrong, but I also think it's been overblown. I'll find stats and post them later.

Some institutions get wrapped around the axle about appearing diverse (for an example, see every college or university's promotional pamphlets...) and might try to purposely skew the numbers, but I don't know that it really makes a huge difference in the end if they get accepted because of the automatically negative attention they get.

I agree that "affirmative action" does a disservice to all concerned and is essentially institutionalized racism... the Orwellian terminology be damned. It is simply part of the misguided attempts by some to change the past, rather than focus on the present and the future. We get the same crap in education with the efforts to promote falsified history in the belief that this will change things. I'm not interested in seeking out documentation of the racism involved in "affirmative action" but yes it does exist. Recently there was the info released by a disgruntled college employee that documented the fact that prospective Asian students needed to score well above Black, Hispanic... and White students because the college felt there were far too many Asian students in comparison to their percentage within the overall population. In my own school district there have been repeated efforts to establish a quota where a set percentage of all construction contracts must be awarded to minority-owned businesses regardless of who makes the best bid or is the best qualified.

Having said this... I work in a school district that services students who are predominantly minority. Seeing the lives and the obstacles that these students face there is no way to suggest that racism is dead or that white America is losing... for there is no way these kids are "winning." There are any number of issues that come into play... from the memory of slavery, the lack of a supportive community and family, generational poverty exasperated by the Welfare state, drugs, alcohol, etc... One thing we all might do well to recognize is the psychology behind motivation. America has benefited more than is ever recognized from immigration (in spite of the stupidity of conservative efforts to curtail immigration). When one considers just what is entailed in abandoning one's homeland, language, customs, etc... and traveling to a new nation one recognizes the motivation that already exists with most immigrants. Thus it is not surprising that these same outsiders rapidly assimilate and move up in American society... often starting their own businesses... stressing the importance of education to the children. This is not the reality of Black Americans... most of whom trace their heritage to forced slavery followed by generations of institutionalized racism... Jim Crow laws... etc...

Again... I feel "affirmative action" is totally misguided... and only increases racial tensions and hatreds. What I do believe, however, is that the nation owes it to every child living in poverty... in the Black and Hispanic urban schools and in white Appalachia... to invest far more in education... in early childhood development, in after-school programs, in offering day-care to working parents, in giving students enrichment experiences (trips to the museums, zoos, colleges, etc...) than they currently do to assure every child has an equal opportunity.

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Oh thank God! A page of excellent rational points ala Hurricane, OrphanPip and SLG. I am not involved enough in the debate over affirmative action in order to take a standpoint, but I think that it is useful in pointing out that the policy was started by Kennedy in order to "take affirmative action to ensure that applicants are employed, and that employees are treated during employment, without regard to their race, creed, color, or national origin". This is what we want in the long run.

And thank you SLG for giving us your personal experience. I think it is quite hard for regular white Americans to truly understand the Hispanic or black American experience. Most just want to look away and judge from 100 miles away.

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Originally Posted by Brian Bean

Just in case you didn't know. I suggest you follow the associated links where you will find plenty of other examples.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRqLVjOuSWQ

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Michael Savage! Wonderful!

Just to establish his supreme legitimacy on this matter, I would love to give the folks some great quotes:

On Autism: "A fraud, a racket. ... I'll tell you what autism is. In 99 percent of the cases, it's a brat who hasn't been told to cut the act out. That's what autism is. What do you mean they scream and they're silent? They don't have a father around to tell them, 'Don't act like a moron. You'll get nowhere in life. Stop acting like a putz. Straighten up. Act like a man. Don't sit there crying and screaming, idiot.' "

On immigrants from Africa: "There's the new America for you. Bring them in by the millions. Bring in 10 million more from Africa. Bring them in with AIDS. Show how multicultural you are. They can't reason, but bring them in with a machete in their head. Go ahead. Bring them in with machetes in their mind."

On Muslims: "Oh, there's a billion of them." I said, "So, kill 100 million of them, then there'll be 900 million of them." I mean, would you rather die—would you rather us die than them?"

"I think these people need to be forcibly converted to Christianity.". . .."It's the only thing that can probably turn them into human beings."

On the Catholic Church: "The institution is rotten from the top to the bottom." [He also called Catholics "greedy pigs".]

On LGBT rights: "The children's minds are being raped by the homosexual mafia!"

It's also worth noting that our friend Michael has been banned from the U.K.

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Originally Posted by Brian Bean

Black crimes against whites are not random acts of violence, they are well-documented for those who are interested. I can give you two examples from personal experience, so you can spare to me the bleeding heart stories about how hard done by they are or were. At least you live in a country where people can openly speak out against blacks attacking whites. FOR THE MOMENT!

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You know what. . .you're right! It's so weird how none of my black friends haven't ganged up on me yet, or how my mother hasn't been ganged up on after working for three years in a predominately black school. I'll have to call her and check up on her.

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Originally Posted by BienvenuJDC

Black Panthers

Yes, I can agree that the sins of the past were wrong. The point of this thread is that such things against the white male have begun. Do we have to have murders against whites occur before we do anything? Well, they have begun.

Hate Crimes

Hate Crimes

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As Hurricane said before, these are isolated incidents. Of course hate crimes occur against whites! Have you not been reading hate crime stats I've been providing you? The only problem is that hate crimes against blacks is significantly larger. Please go back to my other posts and once again examine the stats provided by the FBI.

Also, it's kinda weird, considering all of this discrimination against whites being on the rise that hate crimes against white folks has decreased significantly in the past 15 years.

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hatecm.htm#bias

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2008/data/table_01.html

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Originally Posted by DanielBenoit

You know what. . .you're right! It's so weird how none of my black friends haven't ganged up on me yet, or how my mother hasn't been ganged up on after working for three years in a predominately black school. I'll have to call her and check up on her.

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hmmmm....not all black people are bad, and not all white people are either...that proves nothing.

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Originally Posted by BienvenuJDC

hmmmm....not all black people are bad, and not all white people are either...that proves nothing.

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That was in regards to a series of Brian's posts starting with this gem two pages back:

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Secondly, if you don't believe that blacks will gang up against a single white guy, you are in serious need of an some real education, as opposed to the liberal pap you, and countless others, have been fed for the last four or five decades. Rascism, Shmacism, grow up and get real. It's late and I'm going to bed now but I will deal firmly with any further liberal nonsense in the morning.

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Btw, please check out my post above you which I finished editing after you posted yours.

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Originally Posted by Propter W.

If you can show me the documentation that proves that these 'black crimes' are racially motivated and connected by a larger sentiment of black supremacy, please do.

You don't know where I live, what I can say or what colour my skin has.

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Can you prove that they weren't, forget 'black supremacy' there is no such thing and never will be, it's merely a case of race hatred. I don't care where you live or whether you are black or white. As I mentioned above, I have had personal experience of an anti-white attack by blacks; as have many other white people in London and elsewhere in the UK as is regularly reported by the media. Moreover, as I have had cause to say previously on this forum, one ounce of personal experience is worth a ton of statistics.
To return to the original post, I have read extracts from the book concerned and it conforms to what, unfortunately is happening in the UK as well as the USA; there is definitely government sponsored discrimination against whites.
If those who are the cause of this discrimination think that everyone is going to let them foist it onto the public without dissent, they had better think again.

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Originally Posted by Brian Bean

Can you prove that they weren't, forget 'black supremacy' there is no such thing and never will be, it's merely a case of race
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Ummm, so every crime committed against whites by blacks will always be a case of race hatred?

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I don't care where you live or whether you are black or white. As I mentioned above, I have had personal experience of an anti-white attack by blacks; as have many other white people in London and elsewhere in the UK as is regularly reported by the media.

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So from a case in which you were unfortunately attacked by a black individual, you are going to judge the current state of an entire race?

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Moreover, as I have had cause to say previously on this forum, one ounce of personal experience is worth a ton of statistics.

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Ha! No it's not. Statistics are thousands of collected and documented personal experiences. I could just as well argue that every black individual will be friendly to you, based on my own personal experience. Using 'personal experience' on the scale of judging the masses is ridiculous because you can't generalize numbers of people that range within the millions just based off of one or two experiences you've had.

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To return to the original post, I have read extracts from the book concerned and it conforms to what, unfortunately is happening in the UK as well as the USA; there is definitely government sponsored discrimination against whites.
If those who are the cause of this discrimination think that everyone is going to let them foist it onto the public without dissent, they had better think again.

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Please just provide me some evidence of this and I will be happy, if it is so "definitely" why is it that according to every single poll taken that unemployment for black Americans is higher than that of white folks, why is it that there are far far more cases of discrimination against blacks in the workplace than against whites (please see my previous posts for links that are from government websites and not youtube), why is it that there are still more than twice the amount of hate crimes committed against blacks than whites (again, I refer to my previous posts). Please please please explain this all to me. Is it some kind of government conspiracy in fixing these stats to be. . . ."anti-white"? Are all blacks in on it too in trying to carry out a full-fledged attack on the white race? What is going on, please explain.

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Originally Posted by Brian Bean

Can you prove that they weren't, forget 'black supremacy' there is no such thing and never will be, it's merely a case of race hatred. I don't care where you live or whether you are black or white. As I mentioned above, I have had personal experience of an anti-white attack by blacks; as have many other white people in London and elsewhere in the UK as is regularly reported by the media. Moreover, as I have had cause to say previously on this forum, one ounce of personal experience is worth a ton of statistics.
To return to the original post, I have read extracts from the book concerned and it conforms to what, unfortunately is happening in the UK as well as the USA; there is definitely government sponsored discrimination against whites.
If those who are the cause of this discrimination think that everyone is going to let them foist it onto the public without dissent, they had better think again.

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You compared the cases, you should be able to back up your claim, not me.

If you want to talk about personal experiences, I've got hundreds. I'm confronted with racism every week, if not more frequently. I can tell you that racism is very much alive among white people and black people alike. But racism is not exactly the issue here, although of course it is connected.

I'm not exactly a fan of affirmative action, but to speak out against it in the name of equality is absolutely absurd. The sole reason affirmative action exists is because of the glaring discrimination against black people (and other minorities) and women. Two wrongs don't make a right, I agree. But in my opinion, the focus should be on the wrong that has lead to the other wrong. You're doing it backwards and I'm not timid enough to not suggest that you're doing so out of negrophobia, racism or xenophobia.

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Originally Posted by DanielBenoit

Ummm, so every crime committed against whites by blacks will always be a case of race hatred?



So from a case in which you were unfortunately attacked by a black individual, you are going to judge the current state of an entire race?


Ha! No it's not. Statistics are thousands of collected and documented personal experiences. I could just as well argue that every black individual will be friendly to you, based on my own personal experience. Using 'personal experience' on the scale of judging the masses is ridiculous because you can't generalize numbers of people that range within the millions just based off of one or two experiences you've had.



Please just provide me some evidence of this and I will be happy, if it is so "definitely" why is it that according to every single poll taken that unemployment for black Americans is higher than that of white folks, why is it that there are far far more cases of discrimination against blacks in the workplace than against whites (please see my previous posts for links that are from government websites and not youtube), why is it that there are still more than twice the amount of hate crimes committed against blacks than whites (again, I refer to my previous posts). Please please please explain this all to me. Is it some kind of government conspiracy in fixing these stats to be. . . ."anti-white"? Are all blacks in on it too in trying to carry out a full-fledged attack on the white race? What is going on, please explain.

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There were in fact two instances and they seldom attack singly and, given the vast number of simliar reported cases, anyone might draw the conclusion that it is endemic among blacks

With reference to your second paragraph, I refer to my previous statement above.


I will gladly explain what is going on, although the USA's case is somewhat different from that of the UK in that the US was left with a huge black population after the Civil War whereas the UK needlessly and stupidly imported its own after 1945.
In both cases, however, it became necessary to assimilate them into the majority white population and this was achieved by a massive and extended programme of racial engineering that, as this thread all too vividly shows, continues to this day. It's simply that some of us know what is and has been going on while many seem to think that it just happened that way. However, while enforced racial integration may have been unavoidable in the case of the USA, that was not the case in the UK and it is hardly surprising that many people don't like it