Well, I suppose I will abstain from arguing further.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Muse
Personally, I believer the earth, and even human beings, will be around longer than you think.
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Well, I suppose I will abstain from arguing further.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Muse
Personally, I believer the earth, and even human beings, will be around longer than you think.
I see nothing to convince me of that. As it is Polar bears may very likely go extinct in my own life time. And the Rain forest does not appear as if it has a hope of lasting much longer. Millions of acres of it has already been destroyed for good.
Everything is polluted more and more natural habitat is being devestated.
And the effects on Weather Patterns caused by Global Warrming are already happening.
Dark Muse, when did you become so judgemental of others to the point of separation (above the rest of us, if you don't mind - I note the tone here very strongly because you certainly don't sound less than us) This attitude
strikes me as hypocrisy. I don't like it.
Come down off your throne
Leave your body alone
Somebody has to change
Make that somebody you. Be an agent of change and not a passive recipient. ;)
It comes from me being a misantrhope I loathe the human race. And for as long as I can remember I have always been judegemental of the human race. I never particuarly cared for other people.
As far as me being a hyporctie, hardly. But even if I did go to the most extreme of giving up all modern conveinces and living in the middle of the woods running around naked, and using nothing at all that is harmful to the enviroment, that one loan act is not going to save the world at large.
I do what it is within my power to do. But it is going to take more than that to turn things around.
I use organic products, and I only buy from companies that have good enviromental records, I belong to varrious groups that are dedicated to helping the enviroment. I conserve as much as possible and recyle, reuse, use reusbale bags when I go to the store. All the things a single individual can do.
No problem. I know where you stand. I will continue to see wonders abound. nice boundary Muse.
hey Dark Muse, I kinda agree with you on that. but what if humanity was destroyed? scientists say that another species would evolve to be 'intelligent' like humans and would eventually dominate all other species. So it probably wouldn't make a difference. Dolphins or orangutans may be cute the way they are now, but give them a couple of million years to evolve in the absence of humans and they'll be just as bad as us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Muse
Plus, wouldn't it be a better solution to develop a way of life that does not destroy the earth, or at least 'destroys' to a significantly smaller degree than our current lifestyle does? We have the technological means to do that. I agree that 'society' is not willing to do it, but if more and more individuals were willing, we'd get there some day.
What I really don't understand about cynical people who preach the destruction of humanity is why they don't set a good example themselves. Don't get me wrong, I don't mean you personally. I'm not saying "Come one, Dark Muse, jump jump jump!". I mean people with this attitude in general. Why do they wait for the human race as a species to be destroyed (by whom? itself? aliens? a flash from Heaven?)? If they are so sure that humanity is a cancer on the planet, why don't they start surgery by doing themselves in? Wouldn't it set an example for others? Or even if no one follows their example, wouldn't it be consistent to kill themselves if they really believe that they are part of a species that ought to be obliterated? I mean, these people all use up resources (e.g. by participating in forums, eating, heating, taking showers) and thus help destroy the planet, even if they shut themselves off from 'society'.
Sorry if I'm being macabre, but I just don't get it.
:thumbs_up :thumbs_upQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark Muse
sorry, I didn't read this before. Sounds like you do a lot to save the environment. I hope I'll be able to adopt a similar life style soon. who ever said you have to single-handedly save the world though? ;) why do you put so much pressure on yourself? not even Jesus or Muhammed or Buddha (sp?) or Gandhi or Ralph Nader any other of the usual suspects managed to save the world.
what I find difficult to grasp, though, is how not caring for other people is the same as hating them or being a misanthrope. I'm a bit like you in that I've never been really interested in other people. Most of the time, I like to be left alone and I wouldn't mind living in a stone age hut on my own. but I don't hate humanity and I interact well with them as long as they don't overstep the line. I click well with other grumpy people who need lots of time to be on their own, as long as they are not misanthropic. I also click with uncomplicated, nice people (as long as they aren't stupid). I only begin to hate certain individuals when they get on my nerves too much and want to be mothered or entertained by me 25 hours a day. Or when they are really stupid and tell me the same silly things all over every time we meet.
So I guess what it takes is an ability to both shut oneself off from the nasty or silly people (about 80% :( ) and see the good in the rest of humanity (and even in those silly people). I'm not saying I have this ability, but it does seem a goal to me that is worth aspiring to.
I am exzactly the oppisite. I can see the good in certain individuals, but in humanity as a whole, I only see bad. I have no hope in humanity as a whole.Quote:
Originally Posted by SleepyWitch
I have really started being something of a misanthope at a very young age. I have always been drawn more to nature and animals than to people, and as early as elementery school I developed the idea that humans were the enemey of the enviroment and of nature.
I went through a phase of being optimistic about humanity and the future around highschool, but those ideals have now been crushed.
Don't you know that the whole is the sum of the parts? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Muse
Yes, but I dislike more people then I like. And what I basicaly meant was that just becasue I hate humanity as a whole does not mean I hate every single person as an individual, though I am automaticaly prejudged against everyone based on thier being human.
But once in a blue moon there is a rare individual that I see as being better then the massess.
I must say that my philosophy has man as the epitome of creation. I am still in the Renaissance I'm afraid. How can man even appreciate art, music, literature without appreciating the creativity of man. Or man's engenuity and genius. :D
http://invisiblehandinyourpants.file...elangelo-1.jpg
http://www.parstimes.com/spaceimages/man_on_moon.jpg
That's one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLu0A...eature=related
virgil!!!! that was a BAD example... its pretty much out in the open nowadays that the whole man on the moon thing was a(nother huge) hoaxQuote:
Originally Posted by Virgil
but instead, how about THIS huge leap:
http://www.crystalinks.com/2001monkey.jpg
http://www.mapsofworld.com/travel-de.../taj-mahal.jpg
http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/10.gif
are you sure that's not a conspiracy theory?Quote:
Originally Posted by weltanschauung
Actually Mythbusters exploded that and man did land on the moon (or is that a conspiracy too????)
what's Mythbusters?Quote:
Originally Posted by Delta40
edit: I agree that having a man land on the moon was not a humanity's most useful endeavour, though.