My faith has been shaken; a cry out for help

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Originally Posted by Stanislaw

lmao...well going by his discription I suppose so, lol


I think revelations is judgement for the entire planet, and to my knowledge christians shall be judged more harshly.

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Revelation is the name of the last book in the Bible. It is about John, Jesus' disciple, receiving a vision from Jesus, who showed him what was to come, so that he could warn the believers and the unbelievers of what is to happen.

People will be judged in the same measure- justly, according to what he or she has done in the body:

"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things [done] in [his] body, according to that he hath done, whether [it be] good or bad." 2 Corinthians 5:10

I am getting my concept from the idea, of the apostles creed, "...He will come again to judge the living and the dead..."

Also, earlier in the newtestament, Jesus tells us of the parrable, of the son who squanders his inheritance, and how upon returning is given a feast, whiole his other brother stayed and worked, yet was given no feast.

This is an idea of the forgiveness of God, and how anyone, regardless of their affiliation, may be saved if they seek forgiveness.

I agree with you on the end of days, I was just making a poor joke at your expense... please forgive my rudeness. :)

That's alright... :-) Are you then a Christian?

Yes, I am.

on an aside 'tis a strange bit in The Bibal, where christians are encouraged to spread the word of God, yet should not openly worship in public, I think It is hard to get around no?

What is your opinion on the subject?

I don't remember ever reading that we should not worship in public. Sorry. :-) why not? Who said that? It might come back after you mention it...

Am I the only one who notices that Revalation was written by an old man imprissoned in a penal colony who was slowly dieing of poisonous snake bites? To me Revalation is the rammblings of a maniacal, halucinating apostle of a false Christ. People defend its authenticity by comparing the prophecies within to those of Daniel chapter 7. To this I say, 'Know you not that John the Revalator was a Bible scholar and would have known Daniel 7 frontwords and backwords? Why wouldn't he dig up some apocolyptic prophecies at what was obviously the end of his own life? Furthermore, I just attended a lecture 2 weeks ago by the executive director of the American Academy of Mideval History based in Harvard, where he outlined several 'fulfilments' of the prophecies in Rev. Religious radicals throughout the ages have identified major happenings in history from the Crucifixion to the Capture of the Pope by the Holy Roman Emperor as the completion, THE COMPLETION, not the beginning of these prophocies to confirm that we are living in the endtimes right now. And thats been going on since 1300 AD. Revalation *pah*!

Back on topic of Global warming etc... The Christians where I lived in the US (Virginia Bible-belt) believed that Christ would come before we destroy the world, so it was ok to pollute and just trash the place. Toxic waste dumping, o-zone depletion, tropical deforestization, all justified because soon Jesus was going to come and put a big band-aid on the world and make it all better. That to me is just rediculous. I even had a friend who voted for a certain candidate who was less likely to protect the environment because "anyone who will bring about the end of the world sooner is the person Christians should vote for. I'm ready to go to heaven" [I don't want this to turn political so excluded names etc..., the voting reference was just to illustrate my point.

*Stands and claps her hands*

Bravo Kik..I really like your comment :nod:

eh, there are extremists on all sides of the issue.

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Originally Posted by Snukes

I wonder who decided there were only seven signs of the apacolypse?

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There are clusters of seven which, taken together, make for remarkably recognizable threads of unfolded, predicted history. There are zillions of other things GOD has never stopped unfolding to HIS Prophets throughout the centuries. These fit into spaces between the clusters of Signs revealed here and there. I will gather and introduce predictions I have in mind.

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Originally Posted by octaviaoccult

May I please interject: "If all of the true christians in the world were to disappear due to a "rapture", no one would notice, so few are their numbers. Those who believe them selves to be christians generally are not. Pity to buy into a sold out time share project, only to find that the advertiser has left the building.

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Many more are covenanted to the True Religion than keep that Covenant well. There are over a billion souls covenanted in the True Religion, but many are but weeds in a Field of Wheat, and wayward goats in a Flock of Sheep. In the Book of Daniel, in which is foretold the destruction of a world power now the terror of billions, it is also stated that there are but 1 million Holy Clergy, and but 100 million Holy Laity making up the number right before that decisive moment of victory, of the Saints. The Saints that then enjoy the governing of the Kingdom will likely take into their number many times more than they previously numbered up to that point, then - for then the Knowledge of YHWH and of HIS Glory shall fill all the earth as the waters cover all the seas, and, while the White Rider prophesied will have crushed the violence that prevented the spread of the Gospel of True Peace, the mass conversion of souls will occur neither by might, nor by power, but by the SPIRIT OF YHWH, to then be poured out on all flesh, a respite falling for a time upon the Saints. JESUS CHRIST does eventually return bodily at the End of the Age, which Last Day is the Day of Judgement - but, until then, there is much for the Church to accomplish as the Head, and not the tail, lending to nations, and not borrowing, remaining from a certain point always at the top, never again to be tread underneath.

The final antichrist before the Millennium so many interpret so many different ways, in rising up for a short time, first has to take the nations from the Saints by waging war, before he has dominion with which to oppress them one last time for a few years. Since even John in no way indicates that JESUS has bodily returned with the ushering in of the Millennial Sabbath (which, contrary to some opinions, has not yet begun), it is sensible to see herein the longest running fulfilment of Daniel's predictions of the Saints ruling and never losing their rule to the end of time. Those resurrected at that time are not said in the Apocalypse to rule with CHRIST on earth, nor to be present with those Saints that shall then be ruling on earth. Even when satan is released to tempt the nations one last time, there are those he enlists whose Love has grown cold, yet he and this motley crew called Gog and Magog merely surround a thriving Jerusalem, but never get to fulfill their threats against Her or the Saints She shelters. Thus JESUS says to occupy until HE returns. HE will appear to many as in times past, but will not yet return bodily before the Last Day.