EAP, I couldn't agree more. Who was it that said, "Judge not lest ye be judged?"
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EAP, I couldn't agree more. Who was it that said, "Judge not lest ye be judged?"
You don't have to waste the ones you have now! Just have a few extra cakes and cookies, your present jeans will be super tight in no time as well!Quote:
Originally Posted by Schokokeks
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LMAO :lol: That's true. My vertical growth ebbed out long ago, and like most of us I'm constantly battling the horizontal expansion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scheherazade
/Claes
heehee, didn't know you're a girl, Claes ;) haha, just kidding, coz they were talking about girls in super tight jeans...Quote:
Originally Posted by ClaesGefvenberg
hm B-menatl and EAP, i don't think it's just a matter of individuals 'judging' other individuals. it's something that will affect all of society, as lots of those kids will not grow out of it.
also, i think ten year old kids are not 100% capable of making 'choices'... i mean 'choices' and peer pressure are a contradiction in terms, aren't they? isn't the problem with most kids (and lots of grown-ups too) that they don't even know they can make choices????
--> discussing these social trends is a question of responsibility/social commitment/whatever, not of judging individuals because they happen to get on your nerves....
i do agree, though, that complaining won't help... so probably the only thing you teenagers (I meancan do to change things, is make friends with those people and try to show them there's a different way...
eh, Uncle Virgil.. i think there's a slight difference between leather boots and f*-me-pumps... maybe that's the kind of boots sam meant? otherwise i wouldn't know what's wrong with leather boots either...
I think there were plenty of girls growing up in Brooklyn (and still are) dressed in "f*-me-pumps" or other such clothing. ;) Somehow it seems universal, but I could be wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by SleepyWitch
I dont really see the issue here (with the exception of the claim by the OP about knowing 11/12 y.o girls sleeping with men of 30/40 - a claim which I have serious reservations about the validity of)
When I was growing up all the girls in my classes wore make-up and if mobile phones were available would've had them as well. I see no problem with any of this.
Regarding the "slutty" clothes. This all comes from wanting to wear similar clothes to what their favourite celebrities wear, it always has been - its just that currently all young girls want to look like Britney. The 10/11 y.o is not dressing to look slutty or to attempt to "turn people on" they see famous people dressed in a certain way and wish to be like them.
You know what, that actually sounds like the cheaper solution ! *runs off to buy some fatty cakes* :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Scheherazade
I bet all those cookies you're constantly eating will add up to a bigger size. :p :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Schokokeks
Who said leather boots and jackets are bad? I'm talking of 10 year olds with high heels and more make-up than I've ever used in my whole life... And yes, I blame Britney. It makes me laugh when people say that Marylin Manson or heavy metal are morally harmful... Britney & co. are... if the only values in life are having big boobs and getting any man you want before you are 15, there's something seriously wrong...
I thought about it... we often discuss this with my friends, who are my age, because we are all sure that when we were 14 we used to go to school in sporty clothes and couldn't care less about it, again besides the occasional posh girl who thought she was cool for having dyed hair and mascara and making out with all the 14-year-old boys she could find. But we, childlike things in sport suit, were the norm back then (talking of early to mid-90s). Now the norm has changed.
I agree with Sleepywitch.We're not criticizing only for the purpose of criticizing.As,We(i think or if not at least me) don't say this just to find faults with people(as that would come from our own insecurity) but because how we are today willl determine how we r tomorrow on one hand and on the other hand our(as teens) actions today (i'm sorry if i sound too old to some people) affect another generation of gullible children who we as young as we r they will to some extent look up to us i'm not trying to sound older and wiser but i'm not living alone
And,To the leather boots and jackets topic it wasn't really them but it ws more of the attitude and the leather jacket was tied around her waist.
Now,I really don't get that thing about dolls what about them.It's true i never had them but that was because i didn't like them :).
I think screw me pumps are great, they help make the intentions crystal clear on night outs.
SleepyWitch,
Undeniably, and as I said earlier, it's their choice and they alone will have to reap the consequences, good or bad.Quote:
hm B-menatl and EAP, i don't think it's just a matter of individuals 'judging' other individuals. it's something that will affect all of society, as lots of those kids will not grow out of it.
Kids make choices all the time, whether they are informed or not is another matter altogether and this is where parents, elders, media and peers step-in.Quote:
also, i think ten year old kids are not 100% capable of making 'choices'...
No. Choosing to conform to peer pressure is a choice itself - the alternative, being regarded as a social outcast, is, of course not a very pleasent one, so most people cave in pretty easily.Quote:
i mean 'choices' and peer pressure are a contradiction in terms, aren't they?
I wouldn't call it a problem. I think everybody is aware that there are alternatives but usually they aren't feasible ones.Quote:
isn't the problem with most kids (and lots of grown-ups too) that they don't even know they can make choices????
There are a lot of great things about the current generation: it is, in general, more open-minded, less sexist, less racist and more inclusive then their ancestors.
Mate, children are gullible, they have been gullible since before the word gullible was coined; humans as a whole, young or old, are a very gullible species. What's your point? The whole thing seems pretty simple to me: you are looking for conformity from all quarters towards something which you think is correct. Don't act surprised if all the people you pick faults in criticize you because they happen to think the same of you - perhaps a little tolerence is in order?Quote:
I agree with Sleepywitch.We're not criticizing only for the purpose of criticizing.As,We(i think or if not at least me) don't say this just to find faults with people(as that would come from our own insecurity) but because how we are today willl determine how we r tomorrow on one hand and on the other hand our(as teens) actions today (i'm sorry if i sound too old to some people) affect another generation of gullible children who we as young as we r they will to some extent look up to us i'm not trying to sound older and wiser but i'm not living alone
And,To the leather boots and jackets topic it wasn't really them but it ws more of the attitude and the leather jacket was tied around her waist.
Now,I really don't get that thing about dolls what about them.It's true i never had them but that was because i didn't like them .
There is a new book out now that I started reading (I haven't finished it yet because school and work get in the way) but it's called Female Chauvinist Pigs: Women and the Rise of Raunch Culture. The author is Ariel Levy and she talks about this very thing --- pop stars/movie stars wearing "soft-porn" styles, and 12-year old girls wearing low-rise tight fitting jeans and tee-shirts with the playboy bunny logo on them. You can actually go into the junior department/store (that is, the department that stocks clothes for teenage girls in case anyone was wondering ;) ) and buy a Playboy T-shirt.
Apparently, dressing like that is all part of the new feminism. To quote the book, "If Male Chauvinist Pigs were men who regarded women as pieces of meat, we would outdo them and be Female Chauvinist Pigs: women who make sex objects of other women and of ourselves."
And it's no longer cool for women to get all bothered about women and little girls traipsing around in their coin slot jeans and tight t-shirts etc. To quote the book further, "What is cool is for women to take a guy's eye view of pop culture in general and live nude girls in particular."
So, to the original poster, get with the program! Go get some make-up tight jeans and a few blow-pops and go to the mall! ;) But seriously, this book might be an interesting read for you.
EAP:
My point is saying my point of view.I kinda barged in this thread without saying it and answering someone who said that we r judging too severely.
I'm not surprised if these people criticize me.Not everyone is gonna be pleased with me or my way of thinking they have their point of view and i have mine.So,i'm not "looking for conformity from all quarters towards something which you think is correct" i mean life would be very boring if everyone thought the way i did.:p
Besides,I think i'm tolerant for a lot of these people r my friends.:)
and about the gullible that it forces me to show a little more responsiblity.
P.S.
Glad to c u too Miss.Tenderness sorry i didn't see your post till now.
I wouldn't worry about it too much! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by sam96