I don't know the answer to this one, but when I was young my father owned a bar in Wisconsin. All sorts of weird things used to happen in the bar when I was there alone.
Later weird things would happen when I was closing it as a bar tender, usually alone. On several occasions people that used to work there have told me that they personally thought the bar was haunted and that it was the scariest place to be in alone.
>Yeah I know but there are things that happened to me that science cannot explain due to that they do not believe it can happen. I appear to fit into a catorgory that no one seems to be willing to scientifically study.
Science is not a religion but is also a system of beliefs I have no shame to admit this only those who are pseudo-scientist would claim that Science is pure facts :). Henri Poincaré one of the greatest scientist of this century has written a book called "Science and Hypothesis" to dismiss that Science is just based on logics like Mathematics. For those who doesn't know him, he is the Grand Father of Chaos Theory and in fact also the first inventor of Einstein's relativity before Einstein it is officially known in scientific community since ten years but not yet by the mass public.
Nevertheless Science is based on RATIONAL beliefs not on revelation by some individuals. And science is aimed to revise its own system of beliefs which is not the case of revelation. If somebody like the guy I encountered who told me that he has exorcised somebody, well it's natural that I am skeptical and would rather think his patient was just schizophrenic and wanted to kill his wife because a voice ordered him to do so. He was also a scientist, I have no reason to suspect he wants to fool me as in the professional context of this seminar he had really ridiculised himself in front of several persons :D
After that a very good friend of mine who is also very rational said, once he was plunging in the pool and had an accident he sunk into coma. But "from the air" he saw his own body as well as all people reanimating him. Well I am not stuborned, I would say maybe there is something, it isn't studied by science yet but I'm sure it will one day because Science cannot help to study truth. But it is sure that Science is controled politically and religiously and that it may not advance as fast as it could.
Where is the bar I love haunted places and find them very interesting. Having had many experiences myself I am used to it by and when a unfriendly one gets around I call for reinforcements. Prayers and my dead relatives keep me out of trouble which wears them out. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by B-Mental
Its in Eau Claire, Wisconsin. It still goes by the name "The Mousetrap", but under new ownership. I wish the spirit of my dead ancestors kept me from trouble, but last March I blew out my ACL while snowboarding. I'm Irish, and I feel an affinity with my long lost heritage that month, but to no avail. Oh, the knee happened less than two months after I broke my clavicle, again snowboarding.
Well, Rachel, I have nothing much to add to what Ancestor has already said. (Don't worry about the butting in, Ancestor. You did fine.) Reiki healing was suggested to me when my other defences against stress and negitive thoughts had broken down. It is tailored to me in that I use The Lord's Prayer, favorite Bible verses (Psalm 23), and adress every positve statement to my Heavenly Father. You vocally excange a negitive thought something like this: "Heavenly Father, take my feelings of abandonment and exchange them for the knowledge that I am loved and I am wanted and needed. Smile to your heart." I can already hear the laughter, but it does work. There are ways to sit, hold the hands, etc. to maximize the flow of the Chi, but I've never had anything leave me feeling so peaceful. I imagine some would call it a form of "self hypnosis", but it isn't. I Ching can be used for other purposes, some non-medical and even bad. There is positive and negitive Chi. Sadly, as a wild teenager, I focused on the negitive aspects of I Ching. After becoming a Christian, I still used I Ching concentration to controll pain, but as I said, I can no longer do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by rachel
I have encountered other people on some forums who seem to really believe in some theories like after the death, we would be souls that would be forced to reincarnate again and again (that is to say we would have no choice to do so :D) and that in between we would be haunting others though not always as visibly as a ghost.
There are so many beliefs that people are just chosing the one that suits theirs. So what is it worth to do so ? I don't understand why people want to fool themselves with fake beliefs notably in sects. I prefer not to believe and wait for a true answer one day even if it isn't during this life - supposing I have some more.
Speaking of rationality and scientific beliefs.. and NewWorldOrder, I'm not trying to have a `go' at you, but this is a big popular misconception about people who have schizophrenia. That voices tell them to kill people.
from this site:Quote:
"People with schizophrenia are far more likely to harm themselves than be violent toward the public. Violence is not a symptom of schizophrenia."
http://www.schizophrenia.com/poverty.htm
I had to interject here because I know we all want to better informed about people and the world around us, huh? :)
as far as the topic, I absolutely believe that some people are privy to events and energies that most of us are not aware of.Quote:
Originally Posted by NewWorldOrder
Well, I have personally expierienced something that could be explained as a ghost, but my beliefs do not support the existance of ghosts, so I still struggle over this encounter. Now I suppose it is possible that ghosts are souls that are in pergatory too good for hell, too bad for heaven, and that they are given a second chance on earth, all be it in a different type of existance, and what they do determines their resting place...maybe, 'tis just a thought (well, one that could make sense with my beliefs)
Here is my incounter, please comment on it, ask questions, and perhaps enlighten me, I will try to be as descriptive as possible.
Back story: My family had decided to move, and we were shopping for houses, at one point we thought it would be cool to buy an acreage.
story: well on one excursion we visited a small country house, on this small plot, there were two decrepit buildings and a small circa 1920's farm house. One decrepit building was a collapsing barn, the other a age/wind damaged tool shed.
The house was rather odd on the inside, the furnishings, design and decorations were all that of the early 30's, the house smelled of bread (the food) and the lighting was of a yellow tone, (typical of the glass lightbulb covers). The owner was an elderly lady who owned the house and wanted to move after her husband had died. now there was an atic of sorts, with bedrooms and the like, with a staircase that had to be pulled down from the ceiling, a rectractable stair type thing.now my parents and the realistate agent were looking around the upper area, and I was sitting in the living room area, looking up at the atic area, now I saw a gentleman with a white shirt and green coller up there with my parents, and didn't think much of it.
After we finished looking around, we decided to go for lunch, so we got in our car and left after bidding farewell to the lady whom owned the house. I asked my parents who the guy with the green collar was, and they said, that there had been no man with a grean collar. However, even they said the house felt weird, "like a place out of time". So suffice to say, it creeped me out.
Well, that was my story of my encounter with a ghost in rural alberta.
I looked all over the map and could not find Rural, Alberta.
oh, heh heh, I ment rural as in, rural and urban, city and farm...
the location was about 100 kilometers outside of edmonton north eastish
Stanislaw how old were you when you saw this man with the green collar? I know that may seem to be a odd question but I am a proud odd duck here. There are many different ideals about seeing spirits and for one can only feel their them but I did see one long ago. It was not a very good spirit because I was terrified of him. I asked about your age because the younger you are the more easy it is to see a spirit. Youth is accepts more easily then us adults do unless you are one who is willing to see a spirit. Open minded people usually see beyond what normal sense's can and tend to accept with further proof of paranormal existance. :)
A question out of the blue: Do you guys believe in those psychics who believe they can contact and speak to the dead?
Do you mean like the that had a TV show? Nah, Houdini tried dozens of them. I guess first hand experience might change my opinion though.
Yeah, those television shows. I always wonder if those people who want the psychics to contact their dead relatives are "paid customers", if you know what I mean. Man, reality television has really taken the "real" out of reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by B-Mental
Really...? Bummer, for real.