Yeah right you won't! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by coffeestained
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Yeah right you won't! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by coffeestained
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Originally Posted by coffeestained
I am really sorry for my informal and mis-use of the english grammar, for I am a very ignorant fool who has not yet master the English language, Perhaps my post will be easier if I write them in Chinese or French, but oops, you can't read Chinese or French, or can you?
You are right, Jay Leno is not an intellectual, but that doesn't mean that intelligent people dislike him, I like to think that humor has little to do with intelligence, whether you are smart or stupid, you will always be happy to laugh, although I sometimes think Jay Leno makes very foolish jokes, but that entertains me, a program about western history entertains me as well, one intellectually another emotionally, so I don't see why it negates my theory.
I was not born in America, and yes indeed, I have experienced many 'fools' is my life in america, and I did think that most americans are ignorant and couldn't find more than 3 countries on the ATLAS. Then I went to the Highschool that I am currently in, and my past views have been shattered into pieces, i have met more intelligent people in my grade than any other place that I have been to. Perhaps we have a different life experience.
I apologize again for my grammar mistakes, for it is still not up the standard, I am still learning and improving, that's why I am in school right? But, I must say it is kind hard to keep up 3 languages while you are only useing one of them.
Xu Fuzi
"It is the way of the Tao,
that things which expand might also shrink;
that he who is strong, will at some time be weak,
that he who is raised will then be cast down,
and that all men have a need to give,
and also have a need to receive.
The biggest fish stay deep in the pond,
and a country's best weapons
should be kept locked away.
That which is soft and supple,
may overcome the hard and strong." - Lao Tse
if all americans do have an IQ above 60 would they have voted ia nd illiterate moronic presidnt, i know there are some clever peple but around lets say 51% are complete idiots therfore over half of your populaton arent very bright.Quote:
Originally Posted by Edmond
Please refrain from bringing current politics into discussion and tyr to stay on topic! ;)
Well said, Edmond.Quote:
Originally Posted by Edmond
Though, it seems, many passages of The Bible science has empirically dis-proven, I would like to think that any religious text contains its own elements of truth, perhaps through analogy, fables, and the like, despite that I cannot quite "side" with any religion.
In a story (or maybe analogy) like that of Adam and Eve, that Eve allegedly grew from one of the ribs of Adam, does this perhaps imply a very fast example (within a person's lifetime) of an evolving cell? If, indeed, Adam consisted of the first person, and, in a way, another corresponding person literally grew from an odd place of his body, this has much relevance toward a mitosis-like division between two eukaryotic or prokaryotic cells.
Just one quick thing, evolution is just as much a question of faith as is creation, or religion in general. When a thing is not proved, it is a leap of faith in either direction.
If you say so.
Evolution: Millions of pieces of evidence pointing towards a common theory.
Creationism: One book, full of testimonies rather than evidence, believed in by many to assume a common idea is correct.
One of these uses faith, but if you want to think they both do, let's just say the reasoning/probability scale on one of them is a little bit higher.
More back to the topic. Concerning the fossil evidence for human evolution, it often consists of a single skull. Now I don't deny said skull exists. I'm just wondering if one can infer an entire sub-race of man from one skull. Let us say they had found the skull of one Andre the Giant, for example. Besides his enormous size, Andre also had half again as many teeth as an ordinary man. THAT would have sent the old gong off, no? I recall someone speaking of an infinite universe with infinite possibilities, thus making evolution possible. By the same logic, it makes creationism possible. Matter of fact, it makes ANYTHING possible. Somethings are more PROBABLE than others. There is the crux of the matter. I still believe in God, a creator. But evolution is the most PROBABLE reason why we do not all look the same, etc. I belive I posted the math for the probibility above somewhere. It, chance, is UNLIKELY, but still REASONABLE with some limitations. No species changing into another, for example, just each species evolving into a diffrent form.
Don’t be sorry, the first W in www stands for “world”, I just found it a bit (well, more than a bit) ironic…Quote:
Originally Posted by Edmond
The irony bell chimes again.Quote:
Perhaps my post will be easier if I write them in Chinese or French, but oops, you can't read Chinese or French, or can you?
Another typical American trait.
If I may suggest: n’ assume jamais que…
(never assume…).
Admittedly, my French is shaky and I have a very cute colleague from China & I wouldn’t mind her sitting close and translating, so do whatever you feel comfortable with.
Maybe I’ll respond in German or Italian…
Can’t say I agree in the least there…Quote:
I like to think that humor has little to do with intelligence,
Well, yes, my life experience is based on exactly that, a life experience, not an isolated high school case. Last I heard America was a bit bigger than a high school.Quote:
Then I went to the Highschool that I am currently in, and my past views have been shattered into pieces, i have met more intelligent people in my grade than any other place that I have been to. Perhaps we have a different life experience.
This, to get it slightly back on-topic, is about as asinine as finding a old chest engraved with “Jesus’ Brother” and insisting this is proof of a quasi-fictional (at best) character…
No blood, no foul. You’re doing fine. As I said, I just found it quirky…Quote:
I apologize again for my grammar mistakes, for it is still not up the standard, I am still learning and improving, that's why I am in school right? But, I must say it is kind hard to keep up 3 languages while you are only useing one of them.
It all kinda messes in though, current politics: “intelligent design” (I tried not to laugh while typing that); American notions/beliefs/stupidity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scheherazade
Aside from thinking children’s tale, tales believed to be The Truth while being *clearly* just ‘borrowed’ (as the lawyers of the time weren’t yet established I refrain from “stealing” or “plagiarized”) from older texts is outlandish, your thought is…interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by mono
“not proved”?Quote:
Originally Posted by djtru
Um, no.
And no again.
No. You posted about a card trick. And called it science.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pendragon
Go play your game of cards for ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh billions of years and see what happens.
Funny. I got this "card trick" out of a college level math book. Probability math remains the same whether you use cards or whatever you like. With each additional condition that has to be met, the odds get longer. That is no trick, that is scientific fact. Cards was a simple example I felt anyone should be able to understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by coffeestained
You could use some further reading.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pendragon
And needless to say you invalid “example” of cards-to-science is about as hollow as, “the bible says it’s so!”
Try reading, for example, Full House by Stephen Jay Gould.
There’s even some math stuff in there for you (yes, a science book that talks about the death of .400 hitting in baseball.).
And for the record, you can feel comfortable read SJG, he believes in your invisible people (or person, which is even more warped, as most seem to think) too.
Biology…a deck of cards. Um, no.
The bottom line is, people don't care, Creationism, if you believe in that, fine, if you believe in Evolution Fine, I think the problem is not about where will came from but where we are going to..
The technologies we invented in the last 2-3 centries have disfigured our mother earth, the polluted air in industrial cities, the radiation around former nuclear test sides, factories have helped to created foul smelling and toxic rivers. WE ARE DESTROYING HUMANITY, why are we so selfish? We are not the master race, human race is just like a dogs, or grasshopper or an ant, living on the planet that was not design exclusively for Huamns.(actually no, because animals only eat very few of each other for the purpose of satisfying hunger, People nuke each other for much more sinister reasons and killing thousand times more, so, I guess that's the difference between Human and Animals) it is our home, and theirs also. If you don't wish having a stranger coming into your house and trash your home, then don't do this to mother earth.
The enviorment is vitally important not only to our survial but animals and our descendents as well. Why are here wasting time arguing where we came from, as if it is of any importance, we should argue where we are going to go, is it to doom( the direction we are heading right now), or save our planet, by not wasting too much natural resources.
The Japanese have done a great job in my opinion, they recycle and use wind/solar powers, this is what I hate about the americans: they drive enormous cars that often occupying only one person, and look what is happening now, China is getting onto the energy bandwagon as well, one day there will be no gas left, and no atmosphere, or any living creatures just sand, sand.
-E.Brume
For the record, I'm comfortable reading anyone regardless of what they believe. If you look back up the list, I've read Charles Darwin, even posted that I wished people would at least have the deacency to quote the man right. I never claimed to have all the answers. But I think Mendel's reserch would tend to back up that the more factors that must be met to insure a valid result the higher the odds of acheiving said result. If that means I'm living in la-la land, I'm sure trying to see things from other points of view, to further my knowledge. That's why I'm the "Great Questioner." I question first, believe latter. :) (if at all).Quote:
Originally Posted by coffeestained
Woah!! *whistles*
Where HAS this thread gone to since I last saw it a few days ago???!!!! *drops mouth* :D
I think sometimes that people tend to look on only ONE side of the argument... and only that which is published... most books (and movies that start off with billions and billions of years ago.... yeah right! :rolleyes:) now take it for a fact that evolution is undisputably true...
Yet there is undenyable a LOT of holes in the theory which can never be patched up by men to make it LOOK credible, simply because it's all a lie from the beginning! Look now.... at your calendar.... for example. If the world did come about as you evolutionists say it did (by a big bang, blah, blah) then obviously the world wouldn't be surviving now.... All men's efforts cannot even produce a little "living planet" then how can you peoples ever suppose a MISTAKE is suppose to accomplish that! Goodness! What blind people are who refuse to believe the truth!
Then no. 2 mistake..... The days and the seasons have not changed. Imagine that for the first year, your winter might be in June -August (for Aussies) and summer in December-Feb but then asthe years go by, everything is going to change! Summer would be in June-Aug and Winter in Dec-Feb! It isn't a pure chance that can cause such a brillant universe to come about.... come on where is all your scepticism when it cames to this! Believingthe Bible, which has little wording problems (which can be done away easily enough) you pick out as if it means much. Yet all the things your theory is founded upon aren't even that secure in the first place, and yet you use a little rag cloth to bind up the forlorn gap growing bigger each day, frantically trying to sew it all up before it rips apart...
Come on. This won't do. Reality is cruel if like adilyoussef, you live is a land of illusions amd dreams, untiol you wake up to harsh truth one day, which will then demand of you what good did u do with the truth. Then of course, you can't deny and say you never knew the truth, for I'm telling you the truth NOW....
But it's up to all of you. The truth is in your hands. Do what you want with it. Believe or deny. It's your choice. The world is all about choices. :nod:
Um, then why is this thread so long? And why is it current semi-Headline News?Quote:
Originally Posted by Edmond
Snide’ness aside, I do pretty much agree with you. I’m open to the idea of past “creators” (note the plural, as the idea of just one is idiotic to the extreme), but something that is long gone and has absolutely nothing to do with a “god” that desires subservience.Quote:
Creationism, if you believe in that, fine, if you believe in Evolution Fine, I think the problem is not about where will came from but where we are going to..
The belief in “god” is a *need*, and says far more about the individual(s) then it does about non-entities.
But all in all, the “creator” thing is, to me, unlikely.
Although the idea that we are a failed experiment does come to mind every time I watch the news or see another human being.
Science, and much of the course of “evolution”, is simple fact. But I truly gain nothing from trying to convince anyone of this. They can believe The Wonderful Wizard of Oz is a true story for all I care…and I find the idea of debating someone that subscribes to a “literature” forum but negates the works of William Shakespeare and the Brontes as dismissible something along the lines of ‘colossally wasting my time’.
Well, pesky humans also have this idea of always trying to outdo death. Nature has many ways to cull the population, but humans have found ways to eradicate many of the diseases and plagues that once acted as a population control.Quote:
People nuke each other for much more sinister reasons and killing thousand times more, so, I guess that's the difference between Human and Animals)
And breed much, much, much too often.
Hmmm. “optimistic”. You’re young, aintcha?Quote:
we should argue where we are going to go, is it to doom( the direction we are heading right now), or save our planet, by not wasting too much natural resources.
Keep in mind that Bush now has 2 vacancies on the Supreme Court. You want your future?
“****ed” sums it up pretty well.
Well, times have changed a bit since Chucky D…a believer in a “creator”, by the by…Quote:
Originally Posted by Pendragon
And anyone contributing to this thread that _hasn’t_ read some basics on “eolution” should shut the hell up.
This notion that everyone has a “right to an opinion” is really pretty bizarre. And the internet has only added to it.
The only thing anyone has a “right” to is an *informed* opinion.
Mendel’s research also accounts for mutations. Which is a key factor in evolution.Quote:
But I think Mendel's reserch would tend to back up that the more factors that must be met to insure a valid result the higher the odds of acheiving said result.
You’re really taking a bunch of isolated scenarios and trying to fit them into the wrong (w)hole.
Every time I read your self-proclamation I get the itches. It seems more that you _think_ yourself some ‘great questioner’ until you find a theory (or ‘answer’) that you’re comfortable with.Quote:
That's why I'm the "Great Questioner." I question first, believe latter. :) (if at all).
How can that be when there really _is_ no argument?Quote:
Originally Posted by Adelheid
Yes. I agree.Quote:
and only that which is published...
Burn your bibles now.
I agree. Kill your priests now!!Quote:
Yet there is undenyable a LOT of holes in the theory which can never be patched up by men to make it LOOK credible,
er, um. Based on what asinine theory?Quote:
If the world did come about as you evolutionists say it did (by a big bang, blah, blah) then obviously the world wouldn't be surviving now....
Please! Only so much irony per post!!Quote:
What blind people are who refuse to believe the truth!
Ah. So because the planet isn’t constantly spinning out of alignment is your answer for gawd. Gotcha.Quote:
The days and the seasons have not changed.
Aside from blatant theft from older material and a _very_ wide array of contradictions? Are you sure you’ve read the sodding thing?Quote:
Believingthe Bible, which has little wording problems
I’ve always been fond of the scene where a drunk Noah gets porked by his son. Tasty stuff…Ouch!Quote:
(which can be done away easily enough) you pick out as if it means much.
The “Shroud of Turin”?Quote:
yet you use a little rag cloth to bind up the forlorn gap
Yes, cuz the bible gang have such solid facts to create holes in it…yawn.Quote:
growing bigger each day, frantically trying to sew it all up before it rips apart...
Fascinating. I’d guess your medication wore off before finishing your post. Thanks for documenting it. Utterly fascinating.Quote:
Come on. This won't do. Reality is cruel if like adilyoussef, you live is a land of illusions amd dreams, untiol you wake up to harsh truth one day, which will then demand of you what good did u do with the truth. Then of course, you can't deny and say you never knew the truth, for I'm telling you the truth NOW....