Please..that ***** cannot write. If there was ever a case of over rating..it's her
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Please..that ***** cannot write. If there was ever a case of over rating..it's her
So a 13yr old girl is going to remain in the mindset of a "13yr old" girl her entire life?Quote:
Originally Posted by kelby_lake
I mean, i evolved as a reader from trashy books at 12/13 to classic literature. Do you still listen to the same music you did years back? watch the same movies? have the same views?
Progression. We are constantly moving forward and growing thus your theory and complete generalised belief that "uber" Twilight fans will never enjoy proper reading is incorrect.
I for example, read books for different things.
There are plenty of Twilight fans who are much older than 13, but to enjoy the book it's almost a requirement to think like a 13-year-old girl--it's just the demographic it's very blatantly aimed at.
Just to clarify- are you saying that people who really enjoy Twilight aren't capable of enjoying classics to their fullest?Quote:
Originally Posted by kelby_lake
Assumptions like that reeeaally bother me. Earlier in this discussion or one of the others in the pile surrounding this series, a comment suggested that if a reader is capable of enjoying Twilight, he/she is not capable of enjoying a much greater and renowned work. It's ridiculously offensive. The fact that I find the Twilight story entertaining in it's "teenage love dynamics" sort of way does not mean that I can't enjoy a thorough, active, and "proper" reading of something better.
Call me an uber fan if you want- I've read them all more than once, including the unfinished draft of the fifth book online, can't put them down while I read them, have seen the movie a gross number of times, and I'm anxiously awaiting the next movie.
It's the same with film though! I'm not going to start saying that the Twilight movie was some 'holy deliverance' to the film world. There's nothing new or innovative about it, none of Hitchcock's brilliant camera perspectives and lighting techniques. Twilight keeps me amused for a couple hours, but it doesn't mean that I can't examine great works of film for the art that they truly are.
I just think if you appreciate literature of a higher value, then Twilight would normally disgust you. It's like a wine connoisseur drinking boxed Sangria because he "enjoys" turning off his tastebuds. It just doesn't normally happen.
Certain aspects of Twilight do disgust me. Like I said, I'm perfectly aware that the quality of the writing is crappy and the grammar is absolutely atrocious. It's not as though I don't see these things when I read it. To a point, the writing is basic and bare-bones enough that I can develop the characters in my own way and explore their relationship in any way I choose. It's simply the impossible nature of the characters' relationship that I find interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Hill
Maybe it doesn't normally happen, but I'm not going to start thinking "Oh no. I enjoyed Twilight. Maybe I really don't understand the other books I'm reading." Twilight is just a way to fill an afternoon. I don't read it to escape or because I think it's better than other books. There's absolutely no comparison between Twilight and the classics, and being aware of this distinction allows me to enjoy it for what it is.
Just because a person is a connoisseur of wine doesn't mean that wine is all he/she drinks. What's wrong with some fruit punch every once in a while? ;) You don't drink it expecting it to be wine, or be disgusted with the fact that it's not. It doesn't change how you feel about the wine. You don't think "I like Fruit punch. That must mean I don't appreciate good wine."
Unadulterated rubbish though I think that Twilight is, I don't sign up to the analogy here. And I speak as one who enjoys a high-quality wine. I also enjoy a cheap plonk. If the argument is that Twilight is plonk, then I can't see any reason not to knock it back once in a while. As my mother the nutritionist always used to say, "There's no such thing as junk food, dear; only junk diet."Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Hill
However, my argument is that Twilight isn't wine at all. It's yellow food-colouring in sugar-water - and even if it's not harmful, it's certainly not beneficial, though kids seem to like it.
People often say, "Well, at least my children are reading. I'd rather they read Meyers than wasted their time playing video games."
I wouldn't. I'd much rather my kids played an intelligent and well-thought out video game, or watched a well-written and imaginative movie, or just goofed about making stuff up, than read Meyers.
I mean, if you really pushed me, I suppose I'd rather they read Meyers than formed a vicious infant gang that controlled the playground supply of Fruit Pastilles by the application of merciless Chinese burns and ritual name-calling. But only just.
It is a difference between enjoying a high-quality wine and claiming cultural superiority by enjoying a high-quality wine. :rolleyes:
I don't think that's at all the assumption being thrown around. The argument is whether or not reading Twilight will be useful to the reading career of young people. The anti-Twilight argument assumes that those who do read Twilight could be reading better literature and enjoying it. So I don't think you should be offended by that side of the debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by *Classic*Charm*
As far as I'm concerned, there is a small possibility that a reader of Twilight will go on to read other bad YA series until he or she realizes that there's higher literature out there and that it's worth reading. That's good. The probability of that happening, however, is very small and could be done with any text (even some valuable texts).
Nobody claimed superiority here.Quote:
Originally Posted by amarna
Stephanie Meyers? This is what I think of her:
The next evening Phoenix and Byron caught the direct red eye to Los Angeles, with the intentions of spending the following day soporifically languishing about the various airport shops or - if they could steal away from the hordes that pressed around them - furtively clinging to the ceiling of some abandoned baggage compartment, or other secluded spot. Byron had made his initial travel to America in the romantic tradition of Count Dracula, although his aristocrat taste would not condescend to endure a cargo vessel, and so he had chosen for himself one of the elite cruise lines. He was therefore a flight virgin, and approached the experience with all the excitement and frenzy of a child on his first trip abroad, talking constantly like an over-pressurized hot air balloon.
“Did I ever tell you about Madame Stefanie Meyers?”
Startled, Phoenix, who was brooding upon the loss of her parents and son, turned to regard Byron. “Who?”
“Your mention of Grub Street reminded me of her. It was during the time of Mademoiselle Guillotine’s reign - that wicked hour called “la Grande Terreur” when the people’ lust for blood grew to unprecedented heights. Madame Stefanie was born a peasant, and like most peasants, was jealous of those noblesse whose education and intelligence far exceeded her own. She found in the violent disposition of the people an opportunity to advance her own interests, and published a kitschy novella entitled L’heure Bleue, a substandard tale concerning a brood of vampires whose only relation to us was an aversion to sunlight and a need to drink the red juice. She enjoyed the benefits of success for a time, and then one day abruptly disappeared, never to be seen or heard from again.”
When he finished the story, Phoenix noticed an impish twinkling in his eyes, and smiled. “So where did you bury the body?”
Byron’s face brightened, and then he burst out laughing. “I thought you might like that story.”
Ang again not everyone agrees with you that it is crap. Is it a classic no did I enjoy it yes. Can I read classics and enjoy them yes and I do.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkBastable
The people who like 'reading' will soon move on from Twilight. They might have a passing like for it, or even be quite fond of it, but they will not be rabidly in love with it because likelihood is that the next book they get given will be something of a better quality. A lot of the readers of Twilight (and by no means all) aren't really 'readers'- they don't read much beyond Twilight. They're not into reading, but into the whole 'craze'.Quote:
Originally Posted by limajean
False analogy. A wine connoisseur can still enjoy a can of cold beer or coke or Sprite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Hill
So many generalisations. I have not read and probably will not read Twilight because I do not like the fantasy as a genre but I don't see how we can pass such judgements about other people because they happen to like a certain book.Quote:
Originally Posted by kelby_lake
ouch dr H!!!
*sigh* i guess i deserved that tho...
but if you don't think that Stephenie Meyer creates almost realistic characters, then who do you think creates believable characters?