Lady Chatterley's Lover

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Originally Posted by ftil

It is good that your rational mind protect you not to go nude in public. After all, we are living in society and we need to respect others as people may be opposed for their children to see a naked man on the street. Inner freedom doesn’t mean that we do whatever we want without taking into a consideration the needs of others. But at the same time, inner freedom means that we are not threatened by others expectations nor we are threatened by their response to our expectations. When people are threatened by others expectations, they compromise their truth and put a mask to fit, to belong, be accepted, and approved. The challenge is to be who we are, yet respect others needs without changing or controlling them. Otherwise, people will invest all their energy to change others and their beliefs so that they don’t face judgment or rejection, yet they will do what they want. Very immature, indeed, but many people fit into that category.

I can understand that having strong sexual passions ……can be a pain.lol You need to find a partner who will match your passions. Don’t look for a spiritual person………you may avoid unnecessary frustrations. :reddevil:

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I am essentially a dreamer; I love dreaming and in fact I build up things on imaginations and I often suffered for this bend of mind. I like poetry immensely and one part of me is I never can stand the pain of the other I am across and my eyes become teary in a while. If I watch a movie or a tragic play I cry over every tragic happening. If become happy it becomes kind of impulsive, brimful and I cannot contain it. That is why I like the emotional stuff and read such sentimental rubbishes though there is little to enlighten me intellectually. I have urges and I could flirt with any women and yet I become kind Platonic and think sex is something passing, the joy of it is transitory and after a certain moment all we need is hearts, feelings and passions. I confess that every beautiful object that comes across me arouses me briefly and I feel as if I have to crush the object of beauty.
I am a social being and I cannot get out of its boundary and I have to comply with the standards and norms set for me and I cannot have multiple relationships though I often have this desire even something for threesome but I know from an ethical lens this is dirty to have sex with someone other than the one oneself is in love. In fact I am a kind of naturalist and I take kind of animalistic desires and I know sleeping with multiple people is not unscrupulous and yet I know our social fabrics is designed in such a way one has to hook oneself to a certain one and that makes sex a taboo and restricts one to one person and that is how family values are born and retained.

I enjoy mythology and your thread on this is stimulating and I feel I belong to a world of mythologies and my passions fly over to moments when passions manifested in love, sex and flirtations, some of the dirty parts like molestations and rapes apart. I like the classics for another reason that they wrote freely and unabatedly and though they seem melodramatic, erotic yet they express some of the truths we try to cover up. Of course some paintings go rapaciously presenting some of our inner feelings that mostly remain layered inside us.

Every potent human has a fiery desire, urges and fancies and our social parameters do not set them to realize his deep seated urges and at times they become manifest into rapes, molestations and the like, and they are considered culprits and they are not solely to blame for what they do but the entire social fabrics and the ethical threads that bind them or cripple them.

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Every potent human has a fiery desire, urges and fancies and our social parameters do not set them to realize his deep seated urges and at times they become manifest into rapes, molestations and the like, and they are considered culprits and they are not solely to blame for what they do but the entire social fabrics and the ethical threads that bind them or cripple them

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Everybody has desires but they are quite distinct depending on a person. We can’t forget that desires change with age and women have different desires then men. I don’t agree with your explanation of rape that is a result of a deep seated urges. I sent Freud with his theory to hell. :devil: I am not the only one.lol Yes, we are bombarded by messages of violence and rape in movies, music videos, or advertisement. It has a deep impact upon a psyche and I can’t deny it but human are not animals and need to take full responsibility for their actions and feelings. I have higher expectations from men. But there are men and there are boys who never want to grow, incapable of building deep and intimate relationships. Trust me, men get the best women. Boys get second or third category, and of course, they get bored or complain, wanting to have another relationship. But they never get the best. :ciappa: Those women who attract real men don’t set up for less. But it is fair as like attracts alike.

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I enjoy mythology and your thread on this is stimulating and I feel I belong to a world of mythologies and my passions fly over to moments when passions manifested in love, sex and flirtations, some of the dirty parts like molestations and rapes apart. I like the classics for another reason that they wrote freely and unabatedly and though they seem melodramatic, erotic yet they express some of the truths we try to cover up. Of course some paintings go rapaciously presenting some of our inner feelings that mostly remain layered inside us.

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I like mythology and religion for a very different reason. I love art and it makes more enjoyable to learn. Religion and mythology has always been a powerful tool to control masses. When we look at history , we see a cycle that repeats through ages. After medieval ages, humans entered a Renaissance and magic, Cabala and pseudo science played a big role. It has a big impact on art as the themes changed and mythology with nudity replaced religious art of medieval ages. After reading Giordano Bruno’s book as well a couple of books about the Renaissance magic and magicians such as Marcilio Ficino or Cornelius Agrippa, I have a different perspective on the art of Renaissance and it purpose and role to control and implement changes in psyche of people. Bruno knew it very well that images are the most import means of entering the unconsciousness. He was aware how images impress upon the unconscious mind, thus altering the behavior of the individual, often times against their will. In his work De Vinculus in Genere (Of Bonds in General) he daringly posits the idea that the ‘magician-psychologist’ him/herself can directly persuade the masses without any divine intervention whatsoever, again maintaining a humanist stance like Ficino. It is very freeing to see it.

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Originally Posted by ftil

Everybody has desires but they are quite distinct depending on a person. We can’t forget that desires change with age and women have different desires then men. I don’t agree with your explanation of rape that is a result of a deep seated urges. I sent Freud with his theory to hell. :devil: I am not the only one.lol Yes, we are bombarded by messages of violence and rape in movies, music videos, or advertisement. It has a deep impact upon a psyche and I can’t deny it but human are not animals and need to take full responsibility for their actions and feelings. I have higher expectations from men. But there are men and there are boys who never want to grow, incapable of building deep and intimate relationships. Trust me, men get the best women. Boys get second or third category, and of course, they get bored or complain, wanting to have another relationship. But they never get the best. :ciappa: Those women who attract real men don’t set up for less. But it is fair as like attracts alike.



I like mythology and religion for a very different reason. I love art and it makes more enjoyable to learn. Religion and mythology has always been a powerful tool to control masses. When we look at history , we see a cycle that repeats through ages. After medieval ages, humans entered a Renaissance and magic, Cabala and pseudo science played a big role. It has a big impact on art as the themes changed and mythology with nudity replaced religious art of medieval ages. After reading Giordano Bruno’s book as well a couple of books about the Renaissance magic and magicians such as Marcilio Ficino or Cornelius Agrippa, I have a different perspective on the art of Renaissance and it purpose and role to control and implement changes in psyche of people. Bruno knew it very well that images are the most import means of entering the unconsciousness. He was aware how images impress upon the unconscious mind, thus altering the behavior of the individual, often times against their will. In his work De Vinculus in Genere (Of Bonds in General) he daringly posits the idea that the ‘magician-psychologist’ him/herself can directly persuade the masses without any divine intervention whatsoever, again maintaining a humanist stance like Ficino. It is very freeing to see it.

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Desires change with age, yes it seems, yet desires in fact remain intact and if they shift it is in a new form only. Think about a husband who has a passion for sex and yet the wife pushes of. He tries and tries using different techniques to get her turned on and cannot do it since if he does rather raucously it will be a variant of rape. The one and only choice he is left with is have someone out of the matrimonial relationship. Most women after birthing babies refrain from sexual indulgences and disappoint their spouses and men mostly have excess sex hormones and they are not culpable beings if they hunt for something outside to satisfy their natural impulses. Sex education is designed to understand and address one's own urges and the art of satisfying oneself and yet acts of sex is not one way traffic and one needs someone to have sex with save the vibrator. Women's urges are counteractive and it is mostly men get aroused first and women's roles will be reactive.

Well, I talked about desires that change with age. I quoted Bruno in a previous post as he as a man would have had a better understanding than I. lol I was talking about men who after 40’s lose their sexual prowess. Their desires are different then they were 10 or 20 years younger. Yes, it is fact them women may lose interest for sexual contact after having a child. It is temporary if woman has a deep and loving relationship. If not, they may switch their attention to their child to get fulfillment and gratification. It is not healthy either as it has a deep impact upon a child, particularly, a boy. A perfect example was Freud as he was involved in an intense emotional relationship with his mother. His genogram explains his problems that he carried into adult life. Too bad that for decades many psychiatrists believed a man who had a serious psychological problems himself.

Anyway, we have covered that subject. To be honest, we don’t have that much in common. I have a different idea about being a passionate and creative person who is fully capable of mature and deeply intimate relationship. I better go back to my study. I have many questions and I would love to find the answers.
I leave a floor for others to continue. I did lot’s of talking, but it has helped me to clarify my thoughts, particularly, after reading Bruno’s book. Thanks for conversation. :smile5:

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Originally Posted by ftil

Well, I talked about desires that change with age. I quoted Bruno in a previous post as he as a man would have had a better understanding than I. lol I was talking about men who after 40’s lose their sexual prowess. Their desires are different then they were 10 or 20 years younger. Yes, it is fact them women may lose interest for sexual contact after having a child. It is temporary if woman has a deep and loving relationship. If not, they may switch their attention to their child to get fulfillment and gratification. It is not healthy either as it has a deep impact upon a child, particularly, a boy. A perfect example was Freud as he was involved in an intense emotional relationship with his mother. His genogram explains his problems that he carried into adult life. Too bad that for decades many psychiatrists believed a man who had a serious psychological problems himself.

Anyway, we have covered that subject. To be honest, we don’t have that much in common. I have a different idea about being a passionate and creative person who is fully capable of mature and deeply intimate relationship. I better go back to my study. I have many questions and I would love to find the answers.
I leave a floor for others to continue. I did lot’s of talking, but it has helped me to clarify my thoughts, particularly, after reading Bruno’s book. Thanks for conversation. :smile5:

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In fact I have had a wonderful conversation with you and this has in fact helped me understand something more about women. In fact no woman is free of maleness and no male is devoid of womanliness. We are not two different planets and though man comes from Mars and woman from Venus but both meet in person on Earth and both give in to each other and forget their differences and arrive at a certain point wherein they can be happy and intimate.

In fact I had more to learn from you than you from me and you have a vast resource and this has greatly helped me to visualize some of the hitherto unvisited dimensions of man and woman. I sounded brusquely uncouth and in fact I wanted to discuss some of the unsolicited topics and it was raised for the sheer curiosity of it and hardly such things can be illuminatingly discussed anywhere and I enjoyed the discussed and at the same time enlightened myself as well

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Originally Posted by ftil

Well, I talked about desires that change with age. I quoted Bruno in a previous post as he as a man would have had a better understanding than I. lol I was talking about men who after 40’s lose their sexual prowess. Their desires are different then they were 10 or 20 years younger. Yes, it is fact them women may lose interest for sexual contact after having a child. It is temporary if woman has a deep and loving relationship. If not, they may switch their attention to their child to get fulfillment and gratification. It is not healthy either as it has a deep impact upon a child, particularly, a boy. A perfect example was Freud as he was involved in an intense emotional relationship with his mother. His genogram explains his problems that he carried into adult life. Too bad that for decades many psychiatrists believed a man who had a serious psychological problems himself.

Anyway, we have covered that subject. To be honest, we don’t have that much in common. I have a different idea about being a passionate and creative person who is fully capable of mature and deeply intimate relationship. I better go back to my study. I have many questions and I would love to find the answers.
I leave a floor for others to continue. I did lot’s of talking, but it has helped me to clarify my thoughts, particularly, after reading Bruno’s book. Thanks for conversation. :smile5:

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Do you recall I have often intercepted your mindboggling conversations and I was somewhat swayed by both of your deep insights and you had touched on some of the most sensitive issues that normally do not get raised for miscellaneous reasons. Both of you have no motives to hurt each other and behaved friendly. osho has referred to a book I too had the chance to read once in my school days and the talk carried to that length had much pertinence to what Lawrence had and his books were banned in the UK and was considered a variant of pornography but later on one of the great critics had acclaimed his books and then it gained wider popularity and today he stands as one of the few world class writers. Though I do not agree to some of his opinions I like the way he was daringly capable of raising some of the motives that remain deposited deep down.

Since you have invited some others too for discussion and I felt why I should not come in. Yet somewhere I feel the kind of intimate talks you and osho had seemed to have soured and with you disapproving of his thought, a little more openness and digression, but I see there is no hint of incursion in what he said.

I enjoy reading your conversation and wonder why this has to suddenly come to a halt. In fact humans have some differences and it is these differences that enable people to converse and in a world where people have no voice or difference passions will come to a blind alley.

In fact we on this forum share ideas and by that we enrich our intellectual capacities and fulfill our emotional needs and along with that build friendship and I hold the view that petty differences must not stand as roadblocks in that.

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Originally posted by Blazeofglory:

Since you have invited some others too for discussion and I felt why I should not come in. Yet somewhere I feel the kind of intimate talks you and osho had seemed to have soured and with you disapproving of his thought, a little more openness and digression, but I see there is no hint of incursion in what he said.

I enjoy reading your conversation and wonder why this has to suddenly come to a halt. In fact humans have some differences and it is these differences that enable people to converse and in a world where people have no voice or difference passions will come to a blind alley.

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Oh, I was hoping that you would participate. But you decided to do so…… when I left a floor.LOL! I should have done it earlier. I am very interested in a male perspective. I wouldn’t say that I disapprove Osho’s way of thinking. I have to admit that there is difference in our approach to relationships.

Second, my mind is preoccupied with fascinating staff relating to magic that has been used to control and manipulate societies. In fact, Giordano Bruno elaborated how love and sex could be used to manipulate and control masses. In other words, the idea about relationships and sex is not our own but it was implanted into our subconscious minds in a very clever way but without our consent. I don’t want to play that game but I want to find out how I can free my mind. I am wondering if people could free their minds and find out their truth about love and relationships, how it would impact humans and how relationship would look like. What would happen if a powerful tool of control like music and images that are loaded with sexual massages disappeared? :confused5:

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Originally Posted by ftil

Oh, I was hoping that you would participate. But you decided to do so…… when I left a floor.LOL! I should have done it earlier. I am very interested in a male perspective. I wouldn’t say that I disapprove Osho’s way of thinking. I have to admit that there is difference in our approach to relationships.

Second, my mind is preoccupied with fascinating staff relating to magic that has been used to control and manipulate societies. In fact, Giordano Bruno elaborated how love and sex could be used to manipulate and control masses. In other words, the idea about relationships and sex is not our own but it was implanted into our subconscious minds in a very clever way but without our consent. I don’t want to play that game but I want to find out how I can free my mind. I am wondering if people could free their minds and find out their truth about love and relationships, how it would impact humans and how relationship would look like. What would happen if a powerful tool of control like music and images that are loaded with sexual massages disappeared? :confused5:

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Thank you so much to let my participation in the conversation. In fact I like your range of imagination and your search for something magical and to connect it to sex, love and the like. In fact I find in magic and of course in music human sentiments and passions manifest and I understand you can understand the subtlety of magic. It sounds really intriguing to understand the secret encrypted in music and few can fathom the depth and you seem to have gone a little further than the rest I have come across anyone on this forum and I really enjoy to converse with you on this subtlest issue with reference to art, music, religion and literature

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Originally Posted by blazeofglory

Thank you so much to let my participation in the conversation. In fact I like your range of imagination and your search for something magical and to connect it to sex, love and the like. In fact I find in magic and of course in music human sentiments and passions manifest and I understand you can understand the subtlety of magic. It sounds really intriguing to understand the secret encrypted in music and few can fathom the depth and you seem to have gone a little further than the rest I have come across anyone on this forum and I really enjoy to converse with you on this subtlest issue with reference to art, music, religion and literature

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I would be happy to talk about it. Indeed, it is a fascinating subject. I need to absorb what I have read and to read a few books. I have found quite fascinating how human minds work. I go back to the same books or art again and again and every time I see what I haven’t seen before. I have many questions and I don’t know if I will be able to find the answers but I need to trust my soul and its guidance. I can share something about my journey. A couple of years ago, my soul literally pushed me to look at art. I have always loved art but at that time it was more than that as it was almost like addiction. I couldn’t stop and I didn’t try to control it, knowing the power of images. From a perspective, I can say that my soul has prepared me to move to another level - to magic. It looked like that I had to experience it and to be stimulated by that experience with curiosity reaching sky to look for the deeper understanding. It is different knowledge and exciting one.

I am glad that this subject is of your interest. :smile5:

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Originally Posted by ftil

I would be happy to talk about it. Indeed, it is a fascinating subject. I need to absorb what I have read and to read a few books. I have found quite fascinating how human minds work. I go back to the same books or art again and again and every time I see what I haven’t seen before. I have many questions and I don’t know if I will be able to find the answers but I need to trust my soul and its guidance. I can share something about my journey. A couple of years ago, my soul literally pushed me to look at art. I have always loved art but at that time it was more than that as it was almost like addiction. I couldn’t stop and I didn’t try to control it, knowing the power of images. From a perspective, I can say that my soul has prepared me to move to another level - to magic. It looked like that I had to experience it and to be stimulated by that experience with curiosity reaching sky to look for the deeper understanding. It is different knowledge and exciting one.

I am glad that this subject is of your interest. :smile5:

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Magic, mystery, music and mythology have always fascinated me and in fact I find so many of questions and curiosities answered through them and even in literature I am intrigued by magic realism, a blend of magic and realism something I find mirrored in some postmodern literature. I have not read anything of the Italian writer Bruno which you and osho have much discussed.I have indeed a great passion for painting too and up to a certain age I updated myself with the latest advancements in art and I have since then abandoned that zone now my heart is much in mythology, literature and philosophy and in fact I get lost in that domain and some of the truths we must know in life got unfolded to me through these disciplines.

Now through conversations with someone like you I will find great revelations in the realm of magic. At times I feel objective reality belittles our capacity for imagination and it stands as a wall between our imagination and the actualities we live in. We do not accustom ourselves to that mysterious domain, to that remotest human psyche and fancy. The fact you are passionate about magic is really fascinating me to talk more to you. Can you tell me a little about what inspired you to take an interest in magic a little bit background about your passions for literature and the like and it is up to you to PM or discuss here. Since it will be easier to discuss our domains of interests and passions more closely and profoundly if we know a little bit about ourselves. Anyway I really got a great fascination in your conversations with osho and was a silent but fervent participant or listener there

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Originally Posted by osho

Yes the few who succeed enjoy the relationships to the fullest extent. And what binds them together is understanding and this is not infatuation and it is a sense of togetherness. I have read a Greek legend in which there was a being that split up and got turned into two beings: male and female. They again wanted to regain their old unity since they have been by accident two beings. That is how sex has happened since they become intertwined and this sense of sex is the feeling of togetherness and today few want this kind of kinship. They have some urges, that rise up inside their bodies through some chemical reactions, sex hormones and once they satisfy themselves everything is over. But in real love they become one and intimately and integrally one and feel the eternal joy of sex and unity and this is what I felt in his novel. Now I am reading his other novel Sons and Lovers which I had read in my school days and now as a matured man I read it differently and I find a different meaning here, a different philosophy since in those days my impotency or immaturity barred me from comprehending this great literature

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Wow. Well said Osho. Plato has Aristophanes cover that myth in his speech in the Symposium. The conversation going on in this thread is fascinating and enlightening. Lady Chatterly is one of my favourite books. I have not read it in years but you are making me want to pick it up again.

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Originally Posted by blazeofglory

Magic, mystery, music and mythology have always fascinated me and in fact I find so many of questions and curiosities answered through them and even in literature I am intrigued by magic realism, a blend of magic and realism something I find mirrored in some postmodern literature. I have not read anything of the Italian writer Bruno which you and osho have much discussed.I have indeed a great passion for painting too and up to a certain age I updated myself with the latest advancements in art and I have since then abandoned that zone now my heart is much in mythology, literature and philosophy and in fact I get lost in that domain and some of the truths we must know in life got unfolded to me through these disciplines.

Now through conversations with someone like you I will find great revelations in the realm of magic. At times I feel objective reality belittles our capacity for imagination and it stands as a wall between our imagination and the actualities we live in. We do not accustom ourselves to that mysterious domain, to that remotest human psyche and fancy. The fact you are passionate about magic is really fascinating me to talk more to you. Can you tell me a little about what inspired you to take an interest in magic a little bit background about your passions for literature and the like and it is up to you to PM or discuss here. Since it will be easier to discuss our domains of interests and passions more closely and profoundly if we know a little bit about ourselves. Anyway I really got a great fascination in your conversations with osho and was a silent but fervent participant or listener there

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I have to take a break from writing now. I have opened a Pandora Box with feelings and thoughts after reading G. Bruno and I need to absorb it. But before I take a break, I would like to share my thoughts.

I was thinking what Osho wrote as he said, ”I cannot have multiple relationships though I often have this desire even something for threesome”. I guess I can say that it has been a desire for a number of men as I have seen many artists who painted women in a harem. Of course, we will never know if it was the artist’s desire or if it was a desire of a sponsor with his desire to manipulate and create changes in psyche of people.

I was thinking about a tread on another forum called “Sex Communism” Well, it has started with sex communism and has ended up with nudity. :biggrinjester: Anyway, the tread was funny to read as most members who strongly opposed that idea articulated their thoughts with such a clarity and a great sense of humor. There were only 2 members who argued to dead of the tread for a sex communism. Both men and women didn’t wanted to have a relationships where the partner had multiple sexual relationships. To be honest, I was curious what men thought about it and they didn’t want it. Only one female member was open to that idea, and in fact, she had that kind of relationship where both she and her partner had multiple sexual partners. She said that she was happy and her partner was happy. Ironically, he left relationship and marred somebody else. If he really was happy….....he would stay. :lol: I guess it was a denial or rationalization on her part. So, it is possible to have a tiresome relationship? I don’t know any women who would want that but there are 7 billion of people and half of them are women. But perhaps it is possible if they don’t have any desire for deep intimacy but operate only on an instinctual level. The question we may ask: did women in harem were happy or manipulated into that kind of thinking. If they were poor…..it might have looked as a good idea. The best option of imprisonment. :reddevil:

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Originally Posted by ftil

I have to take a break from writing now. I have opened a Pandora Box with feelings and thoughts after reading G. Bruno and I need to absorb it. But before I take a break, I would like to share my thoughts.

I was thinking what Osho wrote as he said, ”I cannot have multiple relationships though I often have this desire even something for threesome”. I guess I can say that it has been a desire for a number of men as I have seen many artists who painted women in a harem. Of course, we will never know if it was the artist’s desire or if it was a desire of a sponsor with his desire to manipulate and create changes in psyche of people.

I was thinking about a tread on another forum called “Sex Communism” Well, it has started with sex communism and has ended up with nudity. :biggrinjester: Anyway, the tread was funny to read as most members who strongly opposed that idea articulated their thoughts with such a clarity and a great sense of humor. There were only 2 members who argued to dead of the tread for a sex communism. Both men and women didn’t wanted to have a relationships where the partner had multiple sexual relationships. To be honest, I was curious what men thought about it and they didn’t want it. Only one female member was open to that idea, and in fact, she had that kind of relationship where both she and her partner had multiple sexual partners. She said that she was happy and her partner was happy. Ironically, he left relationship and marred somebody else. If he really was happy….....he would stay. :lol: I guess it was a denial or rationalization on her part. So, it is possible to have a tiresome relationship? I don’t know any women who would want that but there are 7 billion of people and half of them are women. But perhaps it is possible if they don’t have any desire for deep intimacy but operate only on an instinctual level. The question we may ask: did women in harem were happy or manipulated into that kind of thinking. If they were poor…..it might have looked as a good idea. The best option of imprisonment. :reddevil:

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Though I have no intention to poke around between your conversations with blaze I think it has some pertinence to recommend you to read THE KAMA SUTRA OF VATSYAYANA with regard to your quote of "harem". This is a magnum opus and you cannot come upon something like this in any western repertoire. So many your unanswered questions, relationships between man and woman, their sexual urges, their prejudices in this iconoclastic book and I think if you read this books detachedly you will not have any assumption about what I said and I will never be misquoted in this context

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Originally Posted by Darcy88

Wow. Well said Osho. Plato has Aristophanes cover that myth in his speech in the Symposium. The conversation going on in this thread is fascinating and enlightening. Lady Chatterly is one of my favourite books. I have not read it in years but you are making me want to pick it up again.

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I am really elated to know that you understood the essence of my conversation with ftil

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Originally Posted by osho

Though I have no intention to poke around between your conversations with blaze I think it has some pertinence to recommend you to read THE KAMA SUTRA OF VATSYAYANA with regard to your quote of "harem". This is a magnum opus and you cannot come upon something like this in any western repertoire. So many your unanswered questions, relationships between man and woman, their sexual urges, their prejudices in this iconoclastic book and I think if you read this books detachedly you will not have any assumption about what I said and I will never be misquoted in this context

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I have read it years ago. A couple of years ago, I have seen your Osho talking about it. When you can look at him, you see a man void of any feelings with soulless eyes. Second, look at Kandariya Mahadev sculptures. Orgy and sex with animals. Perhaps, it is your way of having a relationship. :biggrinjester: I can tell that I have never met a woman who was promiscuous but who wouldn’t regret it later. I met those women in real life and women expressed the same regret on the sex communism tread.

Again, there are men who want and are capable of having deep intimate relationships and there are men who don’t. I met more than a few of them who don’t. They ignite interest and passion in women….for a very short time. :devil: But then the boredom sets in as they are boring without depth of the souls, lacking of insights and incapable of passionate discussions. From perspective, I can honestly say as many women said……..it was a waste of time.
BTW, you may read Kalachakra Tantra. A Shadow of Dalai Lama. If I didn’t read this book, I wouldn’t find Giordano Bruno. Everything is connected.

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Originally Posted by ftil

I have read it years ago. A couple of years ago, I have seen your Osho talking about it. When you can look at him, you see a man void of any feelings with soulless eyes. Second, look at Kandariya Mahadev sculptures. Orgy and sex with animals. Perhaps, it is your way of having a relationship. :biggrinjester: I can tell that I have never met a woman who was promiscuous but who wouldn’t regret it later. I met those women in real life and women expressed the same regret on the sex communism tread.

Again, there are men who want and are capable of having deep intimate relationships and there are men who don’t. I met more than a few of them who don’t. They ignite interest and passion in women….for a very short time. :devil: But then the boredom sets in as they are boring without depth of the souls, lacking of insights and incapable of passionate discussions. From perspective, I can honestly say as many women said……..it was a waste of time.
BTW, you may read Kalachakra Tantra. A Shadow of Dalai Lama. If I didn’t read this book, I wouldn’t find Giordano Bruno. Everything is connected.

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It is really nice to hear that you have a read a wide range of books and your hunger for books is really startling. While I too read books voraciously but I cannot measure up to you and of course I will have lots of things to learn from you despite seeming differences between us. I know my posts have oftentimes have exasperated you since I writing daringly and unconcernedly, almost callously what the rest think. It is nice we come from different disciplines, and we have no fixation. I am personally straightforward and am unaware about the impact my post might made on you. All I want to do is unfurl what goes inside me rather than morphing ideas, masquerading one's feelings. I do not want a mask of civilization and yes I often change and those who feign changelessness and stability in their relationships with their best moods are fakes and I hate them. I want open confrontations and want to put all that go on the inside inside-out. I may anger people but the impact is always positive. I do not know how you mistook me and of course we are humans and are therefore capable of straying, but indeed I may return to my earlier stance, calm and composed. One of the books you have recommended me Kalachakra Tantra is really fascinating and though I have no access to them save Wikipedia I am trying to read a book on it. In fact humans have weaknesses and they cannot maintain their moods all the time and that will be reflective of their behaviors.

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It is really nice to hear that you have a read a wide range of books and your hunger for books is really startling. While I too read books voraciously but I cannot measure up to you and of course I will have lots of things to learn from you despite seeming differences between us. I know my posts have oftentimes have exasperated you since I writing daringly and unconcernedly, almost callously what the rest think. It is nice we come from different disciplines, and we have no fixation. I am personally straightforward and am unaware about the impact my post might made on you. All I want to do is unfurl what goes inside me rather than morphing ideas, masquerading one's feelings. I do not want a mask of civilization and yes I often change and those who feign changelessness and stability in their relationships with their best moods are fakes and I hate them. I want open confrontations and want to put all that go on the inside inside-out. I may anger people but the impact is always positive. I do not know how you mistook me and of course we are humans and are therefore capable of straying, but indeed I may return to my earlier stance, calm and composed. One of the books you have recommended me Kalachakra Tantra is really fascinating and though I have no access to them save Wikipedia I am trying to read a book on it. In fact humans have weaknesses and they cannot maintain their moods all the time and that will be reflective of their behaviors.

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Osho, you have misunderstood me. When I thanked for our conversation, I was clear that we have reached a point where we had too many differences regarding relationships that there was no point to continue. We talked about relationships, and passions, and sex and I become disinterested when it has become a repetition. Second, as you said that you would want to have multiple sexual partners, I have realized that our discussion was not about relationships but about sexual encounters. You may find on a forum female members who would enjoy being entertained by the idea of having multiple sexual partners.

I am not interested in that kind of discussion. First, I don’t know any woman who would want that. I know a number of women who had that kind of partners and they left them. :p I don’t say that there are not women who would welcome being with a partner who has multiple sexual partners. I don’t know them and I wouldn’t be interested to get to know them. It is not that I judge both men and women for having different preferences. It is not my business and we have a choice with whom we interact. We want to be around like minded people as the energy is high in that kind of interactions. It is as simple as that.

Finally, if you think that women welcome having a partner who has several sexual partners, don’t you think that you waste your time on the forum. Your life should be very busy to accommodate them.
And if you impregnated a few of them……you really wouldn’t have time to waste. :lol:

I hope that I expressed myself clearly and that you would respect that.

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Osho, you have misunderstood me. When I thanked for our conversation, I was clear that we have reached a point where we had too many differences regarding relationships that there was no point to continue. We talked about relationships, and passions, and sex and I become disinterested when it has become a repetition. Second, as you said that you would want to have multiple sexual partners, I have realized that our discussion was not about relationships but about sexual encounters. You may find on a forum female members who would enjoy being entertained by the idea of having multiple sexual partners.

I am not interested in that kind of discussion. First, I don’t know any woman who would want that. I know a number of women who had that kind of partners and they left them. :p I don’t say that there are not women who would welcome being with a partner who has multiple sexual partners. I don’t know them and I wouldn’t be interested to get to know them. It is not that I judge both men and women for having different preferences. It is not my business and we have a choice with whom we interact. We want to be around like minded people as the energy is high in that kind of interactions. It is as simple as that.

Finally, if you think that women welcome having a partner who has several sexual partners, don’t you think that you waste your time on the forum. Your life should be very busy to accommodate them.
And if you impregnated a few of them……you really wouldn’t have time to waste. :lol:

I hope that I expressed myself clearly and that you would respect that.

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You always startle me with your quirks and you did not limit the discussion to something we do for the sake of conversation. I never said I am having or will have multiple sex or personal relationships and I have never had and will not have. This is impudence and narrow-mindedness and it speaks up the world you came from and it is not your fault to judge me or somebody like by the open discussion or some themes people catch on.

We were drifting with the topic Lady Chatterley's Lovers and this book is full of such themes and I have gone thematically and w have been little bit open and we had no motive to encumber each other. There was a natural flow in our conversation and it was on an impersonal level and suddenly your rootedness came in, and what you might have learned or some of the sweeter or bitter experiences you might have gone with man / men popped up there. In fact our cultural blockades demean us and that will drown any relationships. I never meant to treat you along the lines you have thought though at times we talked passionately. Art and personality are two different domains. My discussion was bounded by art and you suddenly linked it to life and despoiled the flow and tired to smash up my literary personality. You have to act civilly and this kind of attitude will single out you friends. I am your friend here, one of the literary team and do not hodgepodge open discussion with the personality issue and check here on some other threads there is a free flow of communication that goes unabatedly and objectively.

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There was a natural flow in our conversation and it was on an impersonal level and suddenly your rootedness came in, and what you might have learned or some of the sweeter or bitter experiences you might have gone with man / men popped up there.

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Hehehe….I lost my interest ….it was not sudden as you look how many posts I wrote.

Bitter experience with men…….I don’t even remember their names…...so how can I be bitter???? :lol:

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Hm…...I think that we have a different understanding what boundary means. I was honest with you when I thanked your for a conversation. I wrote that I my mind was focused on more interesting things than talking about sex. People don’t talk about it…..but enjoying experiencing it. I spent enough time to talk about it so that don’t blame me but find others to continue a free flow of communication.

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.. if you think that women welcome having a partner who has several sexual partners, don’t you think that you waste your time on the forum. Your life should be very busy to accommodate them.
And if you impregnated a few of them……you really wouldn’t have time to waste. :lol:

I hope that I expressed myself clearly and that you would respect that.

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Think how lowly you have vilified me and is not this reflective of the world or culture you were born and grown up and the environment that programmed you?

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Think how lowly you have vilified me and is not this reflective of the world or culture you were born and grown up and the environment that programmed you?

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LOL! I can tell you that your responses are a perfect example why many friendships not mentioning relationships fall apart. Maturity requires that we respect when others say no. We don’t push or manipulate to get what we want. :reddevil:

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And if you impregnated a few of them……you really wouldn’t have time to waste. :lol:

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Madam, your decency is born of something preposterous and you claim your self mature, maybe in age but not in thought and your bringing up and your experiences with males could be cold and that is why I always feel you fail to make relationships with humans. I see you always in a temper and talk obnoxiously, the way you use repellent words as quoted above speak up amply up the very mood you are in. Or else you would never have spewed out such words. In fact not only you your culture and your background could account for what comes from you.

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Madam, your decency is born of something preposterous and you claim your self mature, maybe in age but not in thought and your bringing up and your experiences with males could be cold and that is why I always feel you fail to make relationships with humans. I see you always in a temper and talk obnoxiously, the way you use repellent words as quoted above speak up amply up the very mood you are in. Or else you would never have spewed out such words. In fact not only you your culture and your background could account for what comes from you.

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LOL! It is getting more interesting. You are switching to another manipulative behavior- attack. And the only reason you are doing it is the fact that I lost my interest to continue discussion with you. When you mature, you will learn that not everybody likes us and accepts us. People have a free choice with whom they interact and associate. Please don’t forget that like attracts alike. I don’t have anything in common with you and I honestly said that.

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…..LOL! Well, I must agree that I have zero tolerance for manipulative behaviors and I call it out loud. I appreciate respect. It wouldn’t be any problem, if you respected my needs to end our conversation. There are so many people on the forum who may be willing to continue. It is as simple as that.

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…….You mean that I fail making friendships with you. You are absolutely right …... I was polite and honest when thanked you for our conversation. Rather than wasting your time and mine, why don’t you look for like minded people to talk to.

Enjoy the Litnet.

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I do not want any further trashy arguments and I simply want you to illuminate the one I have quoted. If you are a dignified lady let me know what you meant by the above quote. I have quoted it several times and you always take an excuse to skip / cover up this point.

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I do not want any further trashy arguments and I simply want you to illuminate the one I have quoted. If you are a dignified lady let me know what you meant by the above quote. I have quoted it several times and you always take an excuse to skip / cover up this point.

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It was no I who moved to trashy arguments. I politely thanked you for our conversation. That all.

You should have know that when you have sex with women…they may get pregnant. And if you like to have multiple sexual relationships…you may impregnate a few of them. Then you would be busy with no time to waste and no time for a forum. I didn’t expect that it was so difficult to figure it out. :lol:

I hope that we may end our conversation for good. :beatdeadhorse5:

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It was no I who moved to trashy arguments. I politely thanked you for our conversation. That all.

You should have know that when you have sex with women…they may get pregnant. And if you like to have multiple sexual relationships…you may impregnate a few of them. Then you would be busy with no time to waste and no time for a forum. I didn’t expect that it was so difficult to figure it out. :lol:

I hope that we may end our conversation for good. :beatdeadhorse5:

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Have you undergone that experience and got impregnated in the course? I have never proposed you and it was just with regard to the novel and you responded to my first post and carried it to the further extent and there was an objective discussion and I never wanted to have a relationship with anyone or with yourself and you assumed the incredible, the ridiculous and frustrated yourself and accused me. You are a great manipulator and you always had that kind of conversation.

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Have you undergone that experience and got impregnated in the course? I have never proposed you and it was just with regard to the novel and you responded to my first post and carried it to the further extent and there was an objective discussion and I never wanted to have a relationship with anyone or with yourself and you assumed the incredible, the ridiculous and frustrated yourself and accused me. You are a great manipulator and you always had that kind of conversation.

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From your post…short memory, eh?

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I am a social being and I cannot get out of its boundary and I have to comply with the standards and norms set for me and I cannot have multiple relationships though I often have this desire even something for threesome
http://www.online-literature.com/for...t=65846&page=6 post 81.

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Enjoy Litnet. :devil:
Find people who will enjoy talking to you. I don’t have time for it. :ciappa:

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From your post…short memory, eh?



Enjoy Litnet. :devil:
Find people who will enjoy talking to you. I don’t have time for it. :ciappa:

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Your extract will lose steam if you only honestly quote the argument in the entire context Your ideas have run short of steam since the topic under the discussion was Lady Chatterley's Lover and you know he was a much debated and banned writer in the UK. Like Nabokov, he too wrote or unearthed some deep seated human instincts which remain layered on the psyche and there are several layers of it, you know and some get expressed it artistically through magic, art and the like.D.H. Lawrence posthumously got great applauses as a novelist and some great novelist like E.M. Forster considered him the greatest novelist and F.R. Leavis gave applauded his works very highly.

Everyone has layers of consciousness, and when we talk something we rationalize our impulses and censor or sift them prior to speaking up. The writer has throughout his novels tried to uncouthly express what pops up in human minds. We often try to masquerade our real natures wearing sainthoods covering the "beast" within us. We often stray in dreams and have even sexual relationships with someone out of our matrimonial relationships and if we deny it we do it out of conceit only.

Now you can, if you have studied modern psychology you will understand the sum and substance of what I argued.

Do not try to connect this to my personality. The writer is not what he writes about. He can imagine things and that remains bound to his creative / imaginative faculties

A new twist on the classic story:
http://theprivycounsel.blogspot.com/...g-romance.html