Shakespeare's plays are not intended as life guides.Quote:
Originally Posted by Romiet
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Shakespeare's plays are not intended as life guides.Quote:
Originally Posted by Romiet
LOL. Imagine Titus and Gertrude writing good parenting guides, or Helena from All's Well That Ends Well's guide to love- gotta love a bed trick. Or in Duke Vincentio's case, a bed trick and a head trick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mudkip
As I recall, he killed himself with a dagger. Would you kill yourself for anything less than love? Yes, he loved her; couldn't live without her.
no,*he*was*just:out:Quote:
Originally Posted by byquist
At moment I am read 'Romeo and Juliet' at college and sort try figure how out my write essay.
On this subject, Romeo come across has a boy just wanted Juliet in bed and is play up to her with romance words. Juliet is flatted by it all and get sweep up the romance of it all. And you generally find must 14 -16 boys main girls think true or wanted to be.
Okay, this may well sidetrack the discussion a bit, but I think defining the terms are vital.
What is "love"? What does it mean to "be in love"? Are these the same? To what extent did Romeo love or to what extent was Romeo in love with Juliet, or both?
In my own mind, "to be in love" is the euphoric emotions usually identified with young love. "Lust" has been bandied about, and it would be foolish to exclude physical desire from the equation. But "being in love" is far more complex than lust. Being in love make the object of the emotion the focus of every thought. It is experiencing all the wonder of discovering who that person is, the foolish optimism of a future of bliss unfolding in the mind's eye. It is often irrational. I feel that this describes Romeo very aptly. He was enthralled. Wrapped up in the experience. His ignoring of the obstacles and his despair at finding Juliet "dead" fit this well. Being loopy and being in love are far from mutually exclusive.
Okay, but what about love? Did Romeo really love Juliet? Well, what is love. This is more difficult one, I think. Defining love, that is. I'm convinced true, genuine love dwells more in the will than in the emotions. It's not just the feeling "I really like this person." it's the decision "I will stand by this person, trust this person, show kindness, care and respect for this person no matter what." It's a willing, self-sacrificing commitment. It's like the song "Do you love me?" from Fiddler on the Roof.
"Do I love him?
For twenty-five years I've lived with him
Fought him, starved with him
Twenty-five years my bed is his
If that's not love, what is?"
Okay, that's not the Romantic ideal. In love was in vogue at the time of Shakespeare and I'd say it remains in vogue today--crazy kids (mumble grumble). I don't think Romeo possessed a love of that depth yet, but few people develop it overnight. What Romeo had could well have matured into this kind of love, and given that he was married and what that meant at that time (yeah, cheating was rife, but not universal) he had a fair shot.
What do you think? Is that what you mean when you talk about "love" and "in love"? Or am I way off base?
Romeo and Juliet played at love. "What light through yonder window breaks? It is the dawn and Juliet is the sun!" They were very young, and, like Gorice 10 in The Worm Oborous, they invoked a magic which they lacked the power to control -- and it destroyed them.
I agree with Ecurb. They allowed themselves to get caught up in the initially thrilling sexual awakening (at least on Juliet's part) but are unable to see anything beyond the now, hence they die.
Of course Romeo didn't love Juliet. What he wanted was a quick leg-over. As usual, Juliet falls into the trap of believing he loves her.. etc etc blah blah. Why do you you think the Capulet family hated the Mountagues? The very start of the play is a hint of how the young men thought of women: pushing girls "to the wall" etc etc. A right bunch of thugs with nothing else on their minds but banging heads and maidens. Romeo and his pals are no better.
The Nurse knew the score: she's a right old slag on the side, and loves the double meanings. She actually aids Juliet's loss of virginity.
Romeo loved Juliet ? you got to be jokin. The play is about opposition stupidity and and hate.
I disagree with this statement. I think all the love they show is true. I think that Romeo and Juliet really did love each other. If they did not love each other they would have not gone through all the trouble to be together. Romeo and Juliet lost a lot of people that were important to them because of them being together. I do think they love each other because they would not have gone through all that trouble for people to die for them. William Shakespeare was trying to get out the message that they do love each other, not the message that they don’t. Even though Romeo and Juliet’s parents did not love each other, it does not mean Romeo and Juliet did not. Romeo left town so that there would not be any more trouble and that shows true love. If that did not care and love each other, he would not have left. The reason they died at the end of the book was for each other because they could not be with anyone else but each other.