indeed place is much more tangible :lol: , besides, the compass looks pretty cool. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Scheherazade
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indeed place is much more tangible :lol: , besides, the compass looks pretty cool. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Scheherazade
Oh I know! How cool it would be when you took out your compass and say 'Oh, look at that! It is already past North!'Quote:
Originally Posted by Stanislaw
:D
...half-past north. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Scheherazade
Is that the place? I'd better get to bed soon - I've got to be at work at WSW tomorrow! :eek2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Stanislaw
no kiddin? where does the latitude go? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Xamonas Chegwe
Tell me about it - I've got to make up for a couple of hectares I missed a few miles ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stanislaw
oh, man thats pretty harsh. I hate the winter season it seems that it gets darker further south than it does in summer, I think I should jump a plain travel a couple hundred minutes to where the the latitude doesn't fluctuate with the seasons. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Xamonas Chegwe
I know what you mean, I used to live three hours ago. It got so far away, every minute felt like a yesterday. Somewheres I'd think that a mile down the road would never come at all.
But if I had my place again, I'd never go then.
I used to live several minutes outside of a big city, the daily commute would take miles, so eventually I just moved into the city so I don't live that many minutes away from my work, and school any more!
WOW ... i knew this thread would never die! It has gone on wasting miles and miles and miles (oh yeah). I missed you guys, especially when I was only moments away from my computer. Weeeee.
Interesting start for you. This query is big -- Einstein-level and all.
My opinion: if we think or use the word "time" it has a meaning or a type of definition for us. And most folks, indeed, use the word "time" such as, "I had a good time spending time at your party."
On the other hand, there is the word "timeless" and "timelessness." Such as, "Your party had a timeless impact on my life. I got in a fight and just got 10 stitches."
Also, there's words like immortality, immutability, eternity, eternality that might qualify as liquidating the consciousness or impact of time. As, "this relationship is so much fun that I'd like it to be eternal."
Plus, don't forget that in the "Superman" movie he flew the world backwards and saved Louis Lane. He defied time; reversed it.
I also like Tennessee William's witty take in "The Night of the Iguana" when Hanna Jelkes calls her grandfather, "Ninety years young." If you, therefore, want to be an iconoclast and a rebel, you might want to agressively position youself as categorically opposed to time; not relent to it, rebel against it. Distance racers are constantly working at opposing time ("fighting the clock"), and occasionally master it to some degree.
Time is irelevant...distance is irelevant...good spelling is irelevant...resistance is futile... *man, my spelling sucks*
anyways...I was thinking, what is so bad about living life as a borg, I mean you have no knowledge of what life was like before, so what is so bad about borg existance?
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Originally Posted by Stanislaw
The dress sense! :D
oh common...black matches everything! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Xamonas Chegwe
I reckon if you're porting a cellphone, ipod and 2 or 3 megs of music, you've already been assimilated. I saw a city dude the other day, dressed to the gigabyte.
Heh, Stanislaw of Borg...3rd of five...resistance is futile.Quote:
Originally Posted by jackyyyy
Me: 1 cell phone, 1 512 Mb MP3 Player (small by todays standards I know...I'm an older model Borg), 2 laptop computers, 3 desktop computers, 1 gameboy, 60 gigs of media on my portable external 160 GB hard drive, and 1 fm trnasmitter for said MP3 player.
Welcome to the 21st centuary Mr. Anderson...we are the future. :D
When you are touting that much hardware... alas... assistance is futile. We may be able to pry it off with static or some rap music.. whatdyathink?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stanislaw
What the hell man? What's a borg?
It's not really a matter of measuring time accurately, it's if it exists at all. It's like mis-measuring weight. No matter wrong you may, the fact is, you still weigh something.Quote:
Originally Posted by RAS1LOVE
Yeah, I like this one best. It's all subjective in the end, isn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by meddle_some
Thanks for all the posts. They've been helpful (except for the exchange between Xamonas Chegwe and Stanislaw about compasses :confused: ).
That was helpful too - just not helpful to you. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Apotropaic
Rap music eh...I am sure that would work!...but I think ye forgot the c... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by jackyyyy
this is a borg: Borgs on WikipediaQuote:
Originally Posted by Apotropaic
heh, well it was a humerous demonstration of the arbitrary non-existance of time and distance. Life exists as a string of stops...much like that of a movie, each is affected by the previouse, and in so affect the future, however time is only a perception of these single frames changing, where as in fact life is a series of stills. One cannot reclaim stills that have occured, or ones that have not occured, so time, like distance, is a human invention.Quote:
Originally Posted by Apotropaic
Time is regressive, taking back what it gave.
So, as the clock hand is moving clockwise, its actually counting down. Scary thought, eh. (I just dream't that up to see yas reaction, and sorry it has nothing to do with borgs) :lol:
Do not try and understand time, thats impossible, instead just realize the truth. What truth. That there is no time, once you realize that, you realize it is you who counts. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by jackyyyy
I think memory gives us time. The abilty to percieve what happens before and what is happening now proves that time does exist. There is, or was, a before, and all the befores we have are manufactured by time, that's what's important :nod:
I will respectfully disagree with you on matters of time, I do believe the ideal of budhists, time is a perception. :)
All I know is: 8 hours sleep tonight and someone cuts me up on the way to work - I shake my head and tut; 6 hours sleep tonight and someone cuts me up on the way to work - I call him / her a **** and blast my horn!
Time is a bloody annoying, persistent and effective perception! :nod:
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Here is a question to think about. If time is money, what would happen to money if time did not exist? Would it become nonexistant or would it still be an exponential source of use within the worldly structure?
oh yeah its a *****...I didn't say it was persistant! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Xamonas Chegwe
money is truly and utterely irrelevant, it is a blite that we have a cure to but it is one we cling to like our precious time!Quote:
Originally Posted by Soma
existant, persistant - what is with this vowel swapping craze! e, e!
'Exponential source of use within our wordly structure' - Pseuds corner beckons! And does that actually make sense? No offense - perhaps I just don't understand! Unlikely - but possible!
er, it makes sense to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinaski
an update on the borg:
scientest were able to succesfully ping a computer chip using a rat nerve cell/chip interface...This is very cool, a possibility of organic/inorganic interaction at the microscopic order...perfect integration. I'll post the link up later, but you should be able to find it on the makezine blog (makezine.com/blog) or directly on the discovery website (thats where I read it)
Thanks, Stan. That last borg link really helped me out, looking forward to your next borg link. You know, after reading what you wrote about 'whats wrong with being a borg', I woke up to its really a form of modern socialism, except there's cheap spare parts instead of expensive health care, and no money, no time, is a good thing too. I downloaded some mp3 stuff, along with 10,000,000 other borgs today, thanks to the collective! :nod: :nod: :nod:Quote:
Originally Posted by Stanislaw
What I mean by exponential source of use within our worldly structure is that by having it still with us, would it rule the world as it does today? I mean think about it, in every dealing you do in this day it revolves aroound the use of money. So back to the question at hand, if we did not have time would we go out and make the effort to get money or as we would not have time, would we just not take "time" to earn it, fabricate it, etc...? That is the question that I pose here.
I'd say that time is more or less a conception. Indeed children do not share the same vision of it than adults do. Time is endless and flexilble for a child whereas an adult's vision is somehow corrupted by the notion of death and the loss of innocence. This idea is extremely present in Romantic writings (We Are Seven by W.Wordsworth and even modern poem Fern Hill by D.Thomas).
You're absolutely right, Elizabeth, and I love that piece by WW too!Quote:
Originally Posted by ElizabethSewall
Indeed, I think you are right! Why do we need to live as "grown ups" why the lack of creativity? why the lack of empathy?
I don't believe that time exists. It is a concept created by humans. Things change over time, but time itself does not exist. Think about the following: tell yourself "I am already 50 years old." Sound absurd? Let's put it at a smaller scale. Go and touch the doorknob of the room you're currently in, but before you go, tell yourself, "I have already touched the doorknob," and "I am already back at my desk after touching the doorknob." And the fact is that you are already back at your desk, and you are as much in the present now as you were before you got up. You have already finished reading this post. You are already on your deathbed. You are already dead at this very moment, because there is no such thing as time. Depressing, isn't it?
Perhaps Joseph Heller can explain this better than I:
"Do you know how long a year takes when it's going away?" Dunbar repeated to Clevinger. "This long." He snapped his fingers. "A second ago you were stepping into college with your lungs full of fresh air. Today you're an old man."
"Old?" asked Clevinger with surprise. "What are you talking about?"
"Old."
"I'm not old."
"You're inches away from death every time you go on a mission. How much older can you be at your age? A half minute before that you were stepping into high school, and an unhooked brassiere was as close as you ever hoped to get to Paradise. Only a fifth of a second before that you were a small kid with a ten-week summer vacation that lasted a hundred thousand years and still ended too soon. Zip! They go rocketing by so fast. How the hell else are you ever going to slow down?" Dunbar was almost angry when he finished.
"Well, maybe it is true," Clevinger conceded unwillingly in a subdued tone. "Maybe a long life does have to be filled with many unpleasant conditions if it's to seem long. But in that event, who wants one?"
"I do," Dunbar told him.
"Why?" Clevinger asked.
"What else is there?"
I agree with starwritter, it seems that time is real in a sense to where we think it drags on as children then seems to speed up when we're older. I dunno that's just my opion at the moment, I will come back after I read up on the topic and formulate a point.
i find if i think too much about time i get depressed about getting older and all that "what am i doing with my life" stuff. I try as best i can not to think about it too much. I just trry to get there when everyone else does, go home when everyone else does and make use of my private time as best as a i possibly can (read, play the guitar, drink, drug and f*ck :lol: ). I eat when im hungry and sleep when im tired.
Time only really comes in useful when im thinking about football... "what times kick off?", "how long left?" etc, other than that ive no real use for it.
And thats my two pennorth'
He said it much better than I did. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by superunknown
Regarding time, reading Thomas Mann this morning, I ran upon a very interesting paragraph wherin Hans Castorp argues with Joachim Zeismann rather disinterestingly listens along. Hans Castorp (damn you, Mann, why must you always use both names?) ponders an interesting philosophical problem - that being best known as the 'Tree falling in the woods' sensory question. He mentions how some moments seem longer than others, whether you like them or not it seems, may in fact simply be longer. That time only exists because we sense it (because we must!), thus these moments are longer if they seem longer, and those moments are shorter than seem shorter.
To take it one step further myself: We measure time with a clock or calender, which measures the future, present, and past just as we use a microscope to measure molecules of the very tiny variety we cannot sense without such an instrument.
I'm certain others here can go even further with this thought.