Is there Truth?

What is truth, cacain? What we call truth from one vision or perspective can be untrue if we look at it from a bigger vision. When you are at the foothill of a mountain everything is over and above you but when you peak the mountain everything else will be below you and the idea of tallness becomes a lie. Tallness is not absolute nor smallness. It is a relative term. So is your understanding of truth. You may find a person highly appealingly charming but inside her she might be an appallingly ugly. Let us look at things from different lenses. Each time the appearance is likely to vary.

Of course there is truth. Every statement is either true or false in symbolic logic.
But Cacian, Osho, and The Donkey have THE truth.

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Originally Posted by osho

What is truth, cacain? What we call truth from one vision or perspective can be untrue if we look at it from a bigger vision. When you are at the foothill of a mountain everything is over and above you but when you peak the mountain everything else will be below you and the idea of tallness becomes a lie. Tallness is not absolute nor smallness. It is a relative term. So is your understanding of truth. You may find a person highly appealingly charming but inside her she might be an appallingly ugly. Let us look at things from different lenses. Each time the appearance is likely to vary.

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It is true about different degrees of truths but I think that our judgement is often our truth but also our misconception. The ability or inability to make a judgment appropriate at a time when things could go both ways is down to our sensibilities or lack of them.
What I mean is that it is about truth it is about perceptions and how we see things. Truth is irrelevant in this context the only truth there is is that people ecounter other people and experience life. After anything goes no truth just possibilities and endless learning and discoveries.

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Originally Posted by cafolini

Of course there is truth. Every statement is either true or false in symbolic logic.
But Cacian, Osho, and The Donkey have THE truth.

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The list may go a little longer than that since at some point cafolini arrives at the truth of osho, cacain, the donkey, the bull and cafolini all together though somewhat lately since there is total agreement that THE truth has been arrived at.

[QUOTE=osho;1212538]The list may go a little longer than that since at some point cafolini arrives at the truth of osho, cacain, the donkey, the bull and cafolini all together though somewhat lately since there is total agreement that THE truth has been arrived at.[/QUOTE

I disagree with that truth! - Cafolini you're included because you didn't identify WHO the donkey was, WHAT the donkeys purpose was and which FALSEHOOD was riding the donkey

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Originally Posted by osho

The list may go a little longer than that since at some point cafolini arrives at the truth of osho, cacain, the donkey, the bull and cafolini all together though somewhat lately since there is total agreement that THE truth has been arrived at.[/QUOTE

I disagree with that truth! - Cafolini you're included because you didn't identify WHO the donkey was, WHAT the donkeys purpose was and which FALSEHOOD was riding the donkey

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Who/what/falsehood sounds like a beginning to a new promising story. I would add why/when/fakehood took over truthhood.

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Originally Posted by osho

The list may go a little longer than that since at some point cafolini arrives at the truth of osho, cacain, the donkey, the bull and cafolini all together though somewhat lately since there is total agreement that THE truth has been arrived at.

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weee I would take it easy with the bull though :D Oh something comes to mind and it is the word BULLDOZER . I wonder if it comes derivative of BULL. It is possible.

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Originally Posted by cacian

weee I would take it easy with the bull though :D Oh something comes to mind and it is the word BULLDOZER . I wonder if it comes derivative of BULL. It is possible.

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The donkey is a symbol for truth for somebody and that is why it is named and the bull may sound a bigger truth. cafolini must have named it since it is more perceptible in terms of size and shape. Why not cafolin...the bull and the donkey and all the rest go in tandem to unlock or demystify the secret of truth. If the donkey is a truth, the bull is a bigger truth and from that perspective cafolin might have arrived at a higher and more symbolic truth since the donkey and I added the bull become illustrative of the fact of truth.

I am not quite clear of your question, but I am guessing I get it enough to respond. I think that people can have their own truth, which may not line up with anothers. The things we choose to believe in turn impacts what we see, and ultimately how we live our life. We don't all believe the same, but that doesn't mean all those differences aren't real and true for those that do. My truth can be very different than yours, even contradict one another....but there is room in this world for that.

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Originally Posted by kari

I am not quite clear of your question, but I am guessing I get it enough to respond. I think that people can have their own truth, which may not line up with anothers. The things we choose to believe in turn impacts what we see, and ultimately how we live our life. We don't all believe the same, but that doesn't mean all those differences aren't real and true for those that do. My truth can be very different than yours, even contradict one another....but there is room in this world for that.

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Whenever they contradict each other, either one or the other is incorrect or they are both incorrect. In the latter case there is no contradiction possible since it is nonsense a-priori.

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Originally Posted by cafolini

Whenever they contradict each other, either one or the other is incorrect or they are both incorrect. In the latter case there is no contradiction possible since it is nonsense a-priori.

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LOL.This makes perfect sense.

And that is why the world is the way it is...people fighting over who is right in something that cannot be proven. People can have their own truth that is different from anothers, and both be just as true. If you honestly think about it....what harm truly falls when you allow others that freedom without judging through ones own limitted sight? And what harm falls when we don't give others that freedom? Even if your answer falls along the lines of having the responsibility to "save" others from their wrong... isnt that slightly obvious of the limitted sight to think that one knows all enough to make such a judgement? I still stand by what I said... there is room for both. The contradictions may appear to us in that way now...but wont forever.
we can all gaze upon an apple and each of us see a different shade. We can each watch a movie and extract a different message. We can each read the same book and gain something completely different that we can apply to our lives and make us better people. Personal truths are the very same. Just because they differ doesn't mean one is right and ine is wrong.

truth exists but if you brag about how you know it, you're far from it.

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Originally Posted by PeterL

I think that concept of this thread is interesting, but it lacks definition. What is truth? Without a definition there can be no coherent discussion, because everyone will comment about his own concept of "truth".

Before we can find it for you you will have to tell us what you are looking for.

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I think truth is a clearer term, it's reality that I think is not defined. One's view of their own reality is their own relative truth, I suppose?

There are many questions which can be answered differently and each answer will be correct.