Tragic death

Sorry Mona. I've been reading NDTV, CNN-IBN, Rediff, The Hindu, India Express, The Times of India, The Telegraph, etc. since ten years ago. I read rape stories on a daily basis. Besides Lalu's antics and Mamata's tantrums, Indian rape stories have bored me to death already.

Miyako, I rest my case. You can only get a partial picture of any country by reading the papers, which obviously publish mostly sensational or newsworthy stories, and rape is very newsworthy. Anyway, in which Utopia is there no rape or child abuse? I would like to emmigrate there.

Please don't think I'm saying that what you read is not true. It's just not the whole picture by any means. Reality is more complicated than the comments you've been making or the headlines you've been quoting. I'm not even saying that I have any true picture - India is too big and too diverse to be comprehended even by its own nationals. Perhaps this is true of all countries. I don't know - I've only ever lived in this one.

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Originally Posted by E.A Rumfield

The world is under the control of corporations and anyone that doesn't have money can suck it, that includes all the wildlife on the planet and the planet itself. It is our fault, it is because of our indifference. More and more I see people with their faces glued to their damned IPhone only concerned with not standing out, only concerned with what everyone else is . The individual is dead. Go anywhere around the world and witness the lose of culture at different stages for progress.

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I have made it a practice, when people start acting like lemmings, to ask myself why. And invariably your 'control by corporations' supplies the answer. The pointless use of IPhones here in the UK has reached proportions of idiocy that has probably never been equalled in all of its history. In such a scenario, the disincentive to have an IPhone is obvious and I shall continue to do without one.

[/QUOTE] I live in New York, it is winter all the time here. Dead, nothing lives, cept the rats.[/QUOTE]

If you think New York is bad avoid London at all costs.

mona amon: Although rape and sex abuse happens all over the world, it is undeniable that it happens more frequently in India, and this is (almost definitely) due to the attitude towards women there.

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Originally Posted by mona amon

Miyako, I rest my case. You can only get a partial picture of any country by reading the papers, which obviously publish mostly sensational or newsworthy stories, and rape is very newsworthy. Anyway, in which Utopia is there no rape or child abuse? I would like to emmigrate there.

Please don't think I'm saying that what you read is not true. It's just not the whole picture by any means. Reality is more complicated than the comments you've been making or the headlines you've been quoting. I'm not even saying that I have any true picture - India is too big and too diverse to be comprehended even by its own nationals. Perhaps this is true of all countries. I don't know - I've only ever lived in this one.

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You should be yelling in the street: "YES RAPE IN INDIA HAPPENS EVERY MINUTE. WE WANT THE THREE BRANCHES OF THE GOVERNMENT TO PROTECT GIRLS AND WOMEN."

Maybe through your collective voice, Women's Bill will be passed, Indian politicians who commit crimes against women will be jailed, local women leaders will run panchayats, Indian rapists will be physically castrated a la hijra style if death penalty is too harsh, cops will be trained how to handle women's issues, boys and girls will be educated early about justice and equality, crimes against women will become heinous crimes, judicial proceeding against rapists and criminals who violate women will be swift, religious institutions will be charged if they promote misogyny and crimes against women

You have a long way to go. If RSS and other ultra-conservative organizations and Hindu bapus and gurus blame women who are victims of rape, you really have a long way to go.

Yell at the top of your lungs: "YES RAPE IN INDIA HAPPENS EVERY MINUTE OR EVEN EVERY SECOND. WE WANT THE THREE BRANCHES OF THE GOVERNMENT TO PROTECT GIRLS AND WOMEN. WE WANT OUR LEADERS TO BE PRO-WOMEN."

Swallow your pride for this one. Accept the shame for the sake of change. If that change happens, maybe India will, indeed, become a superpower-what you all want to happen. But first stop hiding the dirt under your eyelids and the piss smell in your nostrils.

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Originally Posted by mona amon

Madhuri was not trying to romanticise. She was trying to present a more balanced view of what happened, since a few people (including you) have automatically linked this rape to the condition of women in India, female feoticide, etc, etc. This particular assault, where a helpless couple fell into the the hands of violent criminally minded men late in the night, could have happened in any country.

And China, really? A country which has an even more skewed sex-ratio than India? And whatever horrible things may happen in India, at least it's all out there in the newspapers and TV for all to see.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to sweep my country's womens' problems under the carpet. But when I see a post like this -



it strikes me as reductive, half-baked, partial knowledge and simplistic conclusions. At the root of most of India's problems are the extreme poverty of most of the people, the huge differences in power/wealth, and of course corruption. You've got to understand that, before suggesting simplistic solutions.

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In all fairness the sex-ratio amongst men and women among the upper and middle classes of Chinese society is more balanced, and the government strictly condemns actions toward female infanticide. As for women's rights, there is progress, and I would say the 1970s Chinese woman was more "liberated" than her Western counterpart - where things have gone in the past 30 years is another issue.

That aside, China, in terms of Asian cultures, is far more advanced on issues of Women's liberation. Indian female infanticide amongst the upper and middle classes is still a major problem, especially since it is still legal, and very easily performed (go, do an ultrasound, see the wrong fetus, shoot a needle, done). In China this is absolutely illegal, and the doctor will probably lie to you and tell you you are expecting a boy anyway, if he has the nerve to go against the law and tell you.

That aside, in terms of violence against women, Pakistan and India, especially amongst the poorer castes, are far behind in terms of support, and victim's rights, and prosecution. The case is big, arguably, because it was a well-to-do woman. A poor untouchable would not have warranted protests - merely the shunning of the victim's family.


As for those who argue that this is a world issue, that is one aspect, and it is true. However, that does not reject the issues - simply put, women's liberation in much of the Western world is far more advanced than in other places. IF we say violence against women is a problem everywhere, we must also realize that it is a bigger problem in some places than others.

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Originally Posted by miyako73

The world has to be racist against India, if it is the only thing that will change its culture of misogyny, if it's the only force of shame that will make its leaders act, and if it's the only way to make its people see the dirt and disease of their unjust, violent minds.

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Completley agree. Because this is the only way to force them to do sth. When the " Others" call them racist and all bad things.
What they really care about is not human rights but " their image " in the world.

India needs more writers like this one:

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/...ame-to-canada/

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Originally Posted by miyako73

Yell at the top of your lungs: "YES RAPE IN INDIA HAPPENS EVERY MINUTE OR EVEN EVERY SECOND. WE WANT THE THREE BRANCHES OF THE GOVERNMENT TO PROTECT GIRLS AND WOMEN. WE WANT OUR LEADERS TO BE PRO-WOMEN."

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Do women call this out before or after they circumsize their daughters?

succinct! hehehehe They don't have female circumcision in India though. They have mothers (and fathers) burning their daughters, throwing acid at their faces, poisoning them, hacking them into halves if their mothers' (and fathers') whims regarding marriage and honor are not met.

As a matter of fact Miyako they do. So what are you going to tell these women who mutilate their own daughters to yell? Somebody posted earlier that you only have a partial picture and I agree. You're going to bat for countless perpetrators of bloody violence against children and you have the audacity to tell me such crimes do not exist?

Female circumcision is not a big issue and not a Hindu practice. Maybe it happens in some Muslim areas. The women's groups that work on the banning of FGM rarely mentions India.

Do you expect women who participate in misogynistic practices to join the protest? My position is radical but not new. Many Indian writers say the same thing. Have you been to India? Google it. How many tourists and foreigners have been raped? They even have politicians in their parliament who have rape cases against them.

So now Google is God coupled with your guesses. I think it is admirable that you feel outrage. Hypocritical (and human) that you are selective on which issues take precedent.

No Delta. You can google the news. Indian newspapers. I've been to India three times and conducted an ethnographic fieldwork. I know what I'm talking about. I had never been groped so many times until I went there. Even when I told them I am a "hijra", they still groped me.

You're missing my point again Miyako.