Is the raped also responsible for the act of rape?

It is definitely a Western perspective that is dominant here.

I can say that rape and certainly domestic violence is both higher and much more lightly regarded by the the larger community of West Indians. And rape of young girls by older men is more common and treated more casually by the larger community of West Indians.

There is a British judicial system here (thank God) which acts with strength and autonomy, but the problem lies at the community level. It is my opnion that these behaviours may have existed for hundreds and years, so it is hard to force an evolution.

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Originally Posted by osho

This is a somber issue and yet I often think I should share what I really feel inside me since subjugating the doubt erupting inside me is likely to end up in a repressive state. Sometimes I do not want to blame the raper alone for his malicious act and the victim too becomes responsible since she becomes irresistibly inviting. The temptress in her is overpowering and the onlooker cannot withdraw. It is not always males who rape, women too become rapacious when they find the situation in tune with her urge. I have seen cases old women molesting their young servants.

This is a contentious issue and yet remains one of the must –be – discussed / addressed topics and I think this does not violate the forum's rule to bring this issue into the front

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Would you ever justify the robbing of someone because you were overcome with jealousy and want for their belonging had to have it?

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Originally Posted by qimissung

Exactly. While you have an obligation to behave in a manner appropriate to the situation if you don't wish to draw unwanted attention to yourself, you are in no way responsible for bringing violence upon yourself if you have not broken any laws.

In private of course you have to look at how you behave and interact with others and the results of such behavior-is it getting you the results you want? But that doesn't seem to be what you are asking.

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Your behaviour however will be raised in court and it will affect a jury's decision, even if you didn't break any laws. A woman's behaviour, dress and location will be considered whether she likes it or not.

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Originally Posted by aliengirl

This is currently a very burning issue in Indian society. A month or so ago a woman was raped in a moving car and when she lodged a report about it the Chief Minister of that state who happens to be a woman too alleged that it was only a plot to malign her government. This is the kind of mentality which Indian women are facing and unfortunately some women upheld the idea that a rape victim is responsible for the rape.
Rape has nothing to do with dressing provocatively. Women dressed in sari and salwar suit with long dupattas are targeted every day. A few years ago a woman was thrown from a local train 'cause she resisted the criminals. This issue was hotly discussed back then in Indian media. I don't know what happened to those criminals. As for the woman whom I mentioned earlier, she was helped by a responsible female police officer who was later punished for her kindness by being transferred to some paper pushing job.
As some others said here the rape victim can be foolish or careless but never ever responsible for the crime. Holding them as co-criminals may be possible by the same logic which the wolf used to eat the lamb in a fable we all read as kids. When a society fails to redress a social evil it tries to use such logic.

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Yes. It's very difficult for women under those circumstances. I think it comes down to a kind of equality - the right of a woman to stand up to a man - whatever his social status - and say no, mean no, and for them to be able to accuse them under the law. Whilst inequalities linger you'll get all kinds of arguments, and the OP has highlighted one. It's basically a very thin excuse, but one that in the past was given a cetain credibility because of the status of men who were claiming this.

When equality comes, then there's just the view of the law which should see all citizens as equal. That includes married couples.

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Originally Posted by osho

Sometimes I do not want to blame the raper alone for his malicious act and the victim too becomes responsible since she becomes irresistibly inviting. The temptress in her is overpowering and the onlooker cannot withdraw.

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This view of yours is primitive and nauseating. Luckily the judicial system in my country doesn't agree. Putting yourself in a dangerous situation is stupid, but we punished everybody who was ever stupid by raping them then everyone would be a rape victim (no exceptions). There's no crime more disgusting, I'd rather be murdered. People who try to make excuses for rapists are tempting me to punch them in the face, and according to your argument if I did so, I couldn't be held accountable. Yeah, that's a great way to run a society.

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Originally Posted by BookBeauty

Sadly, a woman must either have an escort, if she wishes to dress down, or she must dress more modestly.

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Or, she could carry a gun.

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Originally Posted by JuniperWoolf

People who try to make excuses for rapists are tempting me to punch them in the face, and according to your argument if I did so, I couldn't be held accountable. Yeah, that's a great way to run a society.

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Quite right, quite right. Isn't it strange how people only feel comfortable saying stupid things like that when it applies to violence against women?

Say a kid runs up to his father and says "Daddy, this mean boy at school just punched me because he thinks I have a stupid face."
The father responds, "Well, son, it sounds like this is your fault. If you didn't want to get punched, then you shouldn't have had such a stupid face."

We'd think that was absurd. Yet, somehow women "had it coming" when something horrible happens to them. It makes me really sick.

You have to admit, the stupidly faced are kind of asking for it.

The rape argument is secondary to the power argument.
I have a shotgun and you don't, therefore you looked too sexy in them tight pants.
Piracy. Brigandage. Armed robbery. Murder. Wife beating. Child abuse.
There is the DNA side of it. I have always known a lot of humans are less evolved. Their 'ability' not to rape things is not fully developed. We can and do define right and wrong through fiction. Rape is wrong. Batman does not rape. Superman does not rape. The hero is not Josh Rape. It is a villainous behavior. As Judge, 'blaming the woman' makes me increase the punishment.

Osho's view is beautiful as a piece of literature, only if the rapist is as hot as the raped, and both thank each other in the end and live happily ever after.

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Originally Posted by miyako73

Osho's view is beautiful as a piece of literature, only if the rapist is as hot as the raped, and both thank each other in the end and live happily ever after.

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Rape is not just sex. Sometimes it's not sex at all. Rape is physical and emotional abuse. It is NEVER a beautiful thing. Rough sexual intercourse between consenting adults (or any kind of behavior between consenting adults) is not rape. Neither is there a happy ending for rape victims.

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Originally Posted by JuniperWoolf

This view of yours is primitive and nauseating. Luckily the judicial system in my country doesn't agree. Putting yourself in a dangerous situation is stupid, but we punished everybody who was ever stupid by raping them then everyone would be a rape victim (no exceptions). There's no crime more disgusting, I'd rather be murdered. People who try to make excuses for rapists are tempting me to punch them in the face, and according to your argument if I did so, I couldn't be held accountable. Yeah, that's a great way to run a society.



Or, she could carry a gun.

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I agree on BOTH accounts. And if I were on the jury that was trying you for punching any such individual in the face for making excuses for a rapist, you most certainly would not be found guilty of any wrong doing (except for stopping at just punching them in the face...knee them in the groin as well).

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Originally Posted by BienvenuJDC

Rape is not just sex. Sometimes it's not sex at all. Rape is physical and emotional abuse. It is NEVER a beautiful thing. Rough sexual intercourse between consenting adults (or any kind of behavior between consenting adults) is not rape. Neither is there a happy ending for rape victims.

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I was talking about rape as a literary theme/subject not as a real occurrence.
Rape as love has been a literary genre under Romance for awhile now. Manga still uses it to intensify love made stronger by regret, atonement and forgiveness.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...ain.RapeIsLove

No real life rape please. Fear does not make anyone feel sensual and sexual.

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Originally Posted by JuniperWoolf

Or, she could carry a gun.

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True enough! :D

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Originally Posted by JuniperWoolf

People who try to make excuses for rapists are tempting me to punch them in the face, and according to your argument if I did so, I couldn't be held accountable. Yeah, that's a great way to run a society.

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Rightly said.

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Originally Posted by JuniperWoolf

Or, she could carry a gun.

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Depends on the country where you live. It is not easy to keep a gun where I live. Lots of legal obstacles. But wherever it is possible women should do so.

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Originally Posted by papayahed

Would you ever justify the robbing of someone because you were overcome with jealousy and want for their belonging had to have it?

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I think you have hit the nail on the head, the victim cannot be blamed. It is the rapist who is abnormal, not the victim, by begining to think of the victim as abnormal (because she dresses in a certain manner) the natural conclusion is that the behavior of the rapist is less abnormal and becomes dependant on the other.

Once again to turn to male rape, if a man gets raped in jail, is it his fault in part because he has a slim and feminine body and he should have gone to gym more and become bigger?

Why should we hold a double standard for women and men.