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Originally Posted by Stanislaw
Well that's why Jack Aubrey's post made me wonder.
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Originally Posted by Stanislaw
Well that's why Jack Aubrey's post made me wonder.
I jsut have to say that in one culture the end is coming precisely December 23, 2012 in our time, calculated by anchient civilizations with a different system...
i agree with soem of the above that throughout history there has been countless disasters and that this global warming is only one more... to say its been caused by humans is true so i guess what im saying is that humans are natural disaster
I used to think and strongly beleive that I could save the world... or at least help in that endeavor it took me some time to realize that to me the problem wasn't saving (the world isn't drowing or jumping off a cliff yet its getting there) it that the world needed changing in my eyes so i set about changing myself, becoming who i thought humans should be, my example... to which point (i'm still ebttering myself every day as most our) I come to the conclusion that the selfish thoughts of living now because we won't be aroudn then is not true.
These are the worst of times that we'll ever experience and they can only get worse... likewise if one person, even one saught to make a change, they would be the change. They just have to start with one other and one more after that... I also realized that to change the world you must change the what we teach our youth and perhaps this maybe 1984ish but to mold them into believing and educating them... imagine raising a generation so full of hope and determination to change what we do... imagine what could be accomplished... therefore everyone can do soemthing
as for the apocalypse i once did a report where i compared now to past dreadful occurances like the black death plague and then people were sure it was the end times, and before with each great catastrophe since christ spoke those words people have believed that it was the end times but we're still here...
the only thing we really have to fear is a cosmic impact... or the sun blowing up since that'll destroy us all first but as my brother once put it, when that time comes humans will have the power to unhinge the earth from it orbit and take it to a safter location.... I know how we would do that too!
There is an amusing and instructive Zen story about a monk who is on pilgrimage through a wilderness. Suddenly, a lion appears and begins to chase him. He runs until he reaches a cliff, grabs a vine, and jumps over the edge of the cliff. He is now hanging, suspended by a fragile vine. Above him, the lion is roaring and trying to snare him in his claws. Below, a drop to his death and another lion below, waiting to devour him. He notices two small mice, one white and one black, come out of a crevace in the cliff and begin to gnaw at the vine which supports him. Then, he notices a beautiful, ripe strawberry growing within his reach. He holds on now by only one hand, and which his free hand, he plucks the strawberry, pops it in his mouth, and savors its sweet flavour.
Each of us is like that monk. Our existence is fragile, and, all too soon, we die. Hence, all the more, must we live, and let no ripened savor pass us by.
thats like stop and smell the roses.... truth is we're all being chased by lions and no matter what we're dead anyway but wouldn't you want to make life a little bit more... more for everyone? Thats why I'm not going through and saying, its the way it is there's nothign i can do, I have to beleive there's something that i can do to make it so that man on the vine has a little more... to love and to want to stay alive... (does that make any sense)
Then shouldn't we stop to ponder what our existence here on earth really is for? This verse comes to mind:
"And he spake a parable unto them, saying, The ground of a certain rich man brought forth plentifully: And he thought within himself, saying, What shall I do, because I have no room where to bestow my fruits? And he said, This will I do: I will pull down my barns, and build greater; and there will I bestow all my fruits and my goods. And I will say to my soul, Soul, thou hast much goods laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat, drink, [and] be merry. But God said unto him, [Thou] fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee: then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided? So [is] he that layeth up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God. " Luke 12:16-21
Hi Gozeta,
Don't you despair, only God nows! Please don't bring us the doomsday.
Jesus had said no man knows the day or the hour of His coming. And if you were firm in your beliefs, would you not be secure in knowing where your future lies? I must say, I sleep very well at night knowing where I am going. I have what we Christians call "eternal security." And I fully agree with you Adelheid. :) When Christ talks about signs, he was not talking about nature, he was talking about the immorality of man kind, just like the times of Noah before the flood.
Tis good that you are strong in your faith. I think worrying about what is to come is pointless, not that I am saying don't worry about you behaviour (as it affects your passage into paradise), but when the end comes it will come, and one must be content with the knowledge that God knows what he is doing!
Well, I certainly hope Jesus is coming or the world is ending before I die. This satisfies my romantic tendencies.
Heh. Irony.
Ah, yes, man's blessed immortality. Granted by the gods, or God. Yes, we will live on, nothing could be closer to the absolute truth. Energy cannot be destroyed. Energy can only be transformed into another.......well.....form! We will not be leaving the earth. We will be recycled. We will, through a matter of course, have our energy transformed into more concrete matter, broken down into its chemicl parts and redispursed upon the land. We will again be "sewn" as man (generic).We will always be participating in the cycle that is earth's closed system. I feel all warm inside just knowing I'll always be around.......somewhere......as a nice nitrate, a bit of potassium, a nibble of calcium......
I prefer baddad's view, I like to think that one day this earth will be a giant recycling bin full of blue boxes and see-thru containers labelled potassium contributors, calcium bin, etc...and maybe I'll be used to fertilize some form of tree genetically engineered by little yellow aliens.
The end times will be horrible... Earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, floods, wars, are the least of them...There will be one who rises, called the AntiChrist. (He won't call himself that of course) Because he brings "peace" people will flock to him, hailing him, even believing him to be God... He will persecute all the Christians in the world... read the book of Revelations for yourself...watch it unrevel in this world before your very eyes.
The recent Tsunami and the even more recent earthquake are all heralds of the Lord's coming...compared to the coming judgments, these are nothing.
They wouldn't suit your "romantic tendencies" at all, Kilini.
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Originally Posted by Adelheid
lmao...well going by his discription I suppose so, lol
I think revelations is judgement for the entire planet, and to my knowledge christians shall be judged more harshly.
Yes...well, I don't know.
But I encourage you to read Revelations...see what you think of it. Or, if you want an action packed book, read Tim Lahaye and Jerry Jenkin's bestseller: Left Behind. The sequence of things may not be accurate, (the rapture- some Christians believe that it is after the coming of the AntiChrist, and during the coming of Jesus. While others, (like the 2 authors) believe that it will happen at the start of the end times. It is your interpretation of the Bible.
Back to your question...
The Bible says that everyone will be subjected to put the mark of the beast on either their forehead or right hand, by the AntiChrist. There is another person called the false Prophet. Here is the passage:
"Rev 13:11 I saw another beast come from the earth, and it had two horns like a lamb. It talked like a serpent.
Rev 13:12 The second beast uses all the authority of the first beast in its presence. The second beast makes the earth and those living on it worship the first beast, whose fatal wound was healed.
Rev 13:13 The second beast performs spectacular signs. It even makes fire come down from heaven to earth in front of people.
Rev 13:14 It deceives those living on earth with the signs that it is allowed to do in front of the first beast. It tells those living on earth to make a statue for the beast who was wounded by a sword and yet lived.
Rev 13:15 The second beast was allowed to put breath into the statue of the first beast. Then the statue of the first beast could talk and put to death whoever would not worship it.
Rev 13:16 The second beast forces all people-important and unimportant people, rich and poor people, free people and slaves-to be branded on their right hands or on their foreheads.
Rev 13:17 It does this so that no one may buy or sell unless he has the brand, which is the beast's name or the number of its name.
Rev 13:18 In this situation wisdom is needed. Let the person who has insight figure out the number of the beast, because it is a human number. The beast's number is 666. " Revelation 13:11-18 GW
Whoever doesn't have the mark of the beast will not be allowed to buy or sell. People who refuse to worship this AntiChrist or his statue or perhaps refuse to put the mark on, will be beheaded.
But... it's hard to interpret Revelation right. After all, Jesus said Himself, that no man knows exactly when Jesus is coming again. You must read the book, and judge for yourself.