Secret Senses

Perhaps an "intuitional" sense about things. Intuitions, promptings, inspirations.

In "The Cherry Orchard" Petra Trofimov, while they are all philosophizing about death, says to the effect that maybe we wake up afterwards with 100 senses, and not just the 5 that we here so measure. He's in possession of an artistic sense or temperament, along with goofiness and ongoing intellectual pursuits. Arkadina calls him an "eternal student."

Another phrase in usage is "spiritual sense," as in "Spiritual sense is the discernment of spiritual good."

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Originally Posted by byquist

Perhaps an "intuitional" sense about things. Intuitions, promptings, inspirations.

In "The Cherry Orchard" Petra Trofimov, while they are all philosophizing about death, says to the effect that maybe we wake up afterwards with 100 senses, and not just the 5 that we here so measure. He's in possession of an artistic sense or temperament, along with goofiness and ongoing intellectual pursuits. Arkadina calls him an "eternal student."

Another phrase in usage is "spiritual sense," as in "Spiritual sense is the discernment of spiritual good."

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If there are 9 or 12, why couldn't there be 100. Indeed, there could be an infinite number. Reminds me of moments of heightened awareness, as in a moment of danger, everything is magnified, senses of things we do not relate to in everyday life suddenly exist - blue is more blue. All because at that moment we are more alert/aware. Then, all senses, and lets say, potential senses, sit in our DNA, and only the most needed senses develop from 'practice'. So, "spiritual sense" would grow with practice too. Intuition is like premonition.

Thanks, byquist.

Jackyyyy,

As Doyle Lonigan asks in "The Sting," "Ya' follow?" likewise I, with Redford, follow your drift which is appealing.

However, you bring up DNA -- chemicals; that existence is chemically based or indelibly linked.

Now, Chekhov, albeit schooled as a physician, also albeit dying young from a stong-minded disease, did seek at many times a distancing from the physiological sense of existence.

While DNA and genetics have become the current most popular and near-idolized assertions, they can be seen as antipathetic to the word, Spirit. Any senses originating and deriving from Spirit, must be non-material, non-matter; non-DNAish, non-chemical.

Cutting this link with DNA does not cut the link with our humanity, health, natural experience, etc., but rather disposes of the negative side of DNA (which are many -- for half or more of people DNA is not kind, but vicious), and enables a spiritual sense to harmonize the physical senses.

Of course, such talk is stuff that Darwinists don't like to hear, but there is a lot of fun that they miss out on by pushing his agenda into every sliver in society.

I'm sure you didn't want to open such debate, so consider the above to be blather if it doesn't register. I'm outa here.

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Originally Posted by The Unnamable

Sorry, mono – I don’t understand your point – but then perhaps you didn’t understand mine. Are you saying that balance is not a sense? I know the things you mention but I don’t know that it’s as simple as to say that we have only five senses. Yes, every child is taught this but these assumptions are now rightly challenged. Have a look here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senses

What I find revealing is that people look for something beyond the human when the human itself is far more interesting.

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I do, indeed, agree that balance proves itself as a sense, only just as much connected to hearing, as seeing black-and-white or color seems connected to eyesight.
Quoted from the link you provided:

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Equilibrioception is the perception of balance and is related to cavities containing fluid in the inner ear. There is some disagreement as to whether this also includes the sense of "direction" or orientation. However, as with depth perception earlier, it is generally regarded that "direction" is a post-sensory cognitive awareness.

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In the 1999 motion picture The Matrix, the character of Neo experiences déjà vu (though the experience somewhat differs: Neo sees a black cat go past two times consecutively). Trinity explains to Neo that "the déjà vu is usually a glitch in the Matrix. It happens when [the Matrix] changes something."

Déjà vécu
Usually translated 'already seen' or 'already lived through,' déjà vécu is described in a quotation from David Copperfield by Charles Dickens:

We have all some experience of a feeling, that comes over us occasionally, of what we are saying and doing having been said and done before, in a remote time - of our having been surrounded, dim ages ago, by the same faces, objects, and circumstances - of our knowing perfectly what will be said next, as if we suddenly remember it![1]

When most people speak of déjà vu, they are actually experiencing déjà vécu. Surveys have revealed that about one third of the population have had these experiences, more often (and perhaps more intense) in people between the ages of 15 and 25. The experience is usually related to a very banal event, but is so striking that it is remembered for years afterwards.

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While Intuition is better understood, 'Premonition', 'The Third Eye' and 'Déjà Vu' are senses that so far defy scientific proof. For 'most' of us, they are not under our conscious control, they simply happen. I don't think there can be any doubt they should be considered seriously, but wonder if they consitute part of this 'secret sense' notion - we just don't know what they are. What I am conjecturing is, even if we don't know what they are, can we still base assumptions of them and use them - I don't want to wait for the scientists to work it out, I want to pick the right race-horse now. For example, I do not know what present someone is going to bring me for Christmas, but its a safe bet they will and I have a rough idea of what it will be based on information I have under my control. Sometimes, if I think hard enough, I can make that guess more accurate, and sometimes I am right. Now, while that might be called simply 'deduction', in the case of these 'extra-senses' there appears no information to support a deduction. Is it possible this information doesn't just come out of thin air, and it is actually resident somewhere?

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Originally Posted by byquist

Jackyyyy,

As Doyle Lonigan asks in "The Sting," "Ya' follow?" likewise I, with Redford, follow your drift which is appealing.

However, you bring up DNA -- chemicals; that existence is chemically based or indelibly linked.

Now, Chekhov, albeit schooled as a physician, also albeit dying young from a stong-minded disease, did seek at many times a distancing from the physiological sense of existence.

While DNA and genetics have become the current most popular and near-idolized assertions, they can be seen as antipathetic to the word, Spirit. Any senses originating and deriving from Spirit, must be non-material, non-matter; non-DNAish, non-chemical.

Cutting this link with DNA does not cut the link with our humanity, health, natural experience, etc., but rather disposes of the negative side of DNA (which are many -- for half or more of people DNA is not kind, but vicious), and enables a spiritual sense to harmonize the physical senses.

Of course, such talk is stuff that Darwinists don't like to hear, but there is a lot of fun that they miss out on by pushing his agenda into every sliver in society.

I'm sure you didn't want to open such debate, so consider the above to be blather if it doesn't register. I'm outa here.

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Darwinists may or may not be right, Spiritualism might have an answer, I don't know. In any case, what is in common is, people want to know. I agree, the scientists can show chemicals can do x, but what they can't 'show' to general satisfaction is this 'extra' - so far. While I would not attempt to solve this and suddenly discover it, since smarter people than me haven't been able to put their finger on exactly what it is, I would like to know if we can tap into it somehow, and sufficiently, in order to increase that 'awareness'. Possibly, by increasing our awareness, we might be able to deduce what exactly it is. I think somtimes, the amount of energy we 'all' put into working out our existence should have solved this by now, but as we know, we don't know.

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Originally Posted by mono

Though I do not intend on correcting such a bright mind, such as yours, unnamable, but the sense of balance actually originates from a mechanism in the ear, related to hearing, deep within the inner ear. This also explains why when one has an ear infection of any kind, he/she may feel dizzy, off-balance, or frequently fall.
The sense of heat comes from unique neurons in the skin calls thermoreceptors, and the sense of pain originates from nociceptors, thus traveling from the localized site, ascends the spinal cord, and into the brain, where it gets interpreted as pain.

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I was also going to agree with Unnameable, but you beat me to it. :) You are emphasizing his point that there are more than five senses. Balance is not hearing, although the apparatus is located in the same area, and each different sort of physical sensation is distinct, although they use the same pathways for communication.

At some point I saw a discussion of several different senses in addition to the traditional five. I don't have time now to search for more details, but I'm sure that there is substantial information on the internet.

A related question is about how many modes of communication humans use. I have found six or seven (depending on whether two are counted separately or together.

a sixth sense. it can be intuition, or the ability to see those from the underworld, or the undead, the power to see the future or the power of the mind to do things beyond normal, like lifting objects and, well, kinda like the stuff they do in Star Wars with all the mind control. i believe such things exist in everyone. everyone has a sixth sense waiting to be activated or something.

tell me, is there anyone here with an opened sixth sense? or anyone who knows someone who has an opened sixth sense?

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Originally Posted by PeterL

A related question is about how many modes of communication humans use. I have found six or seven (depending on whether two are counted separately or together.

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good question, peter.

how can a blind man sense if another is present, aside from hearing?

i think this is because we all radiate an aura, and, a blind person has learned to 'see' without seeing. and so i wonder, is this also an adaptive mechanism for those who are born with incomplete 5 senses?

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Originally Posted by amanda_isabel

good question, peter.

how can a blind man sense if another is present, aside from hearing?

i think this is because we all radiate an aura, and, a blind person has learned to 'see' without seeing. and so i wonder, is this also an adaptive mechanism for those who are born with incomplete 5 senses?

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I agree that there is something that might be called an aura. That is among the modes of sessing and communication that humans use. I don't think that that is an adaptation for people without sight. Only a few kinds of communication are done consciously; the rest are expressed and understood by biological processes or the subconscious mind.

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Originally Posted by PeterL

I was also going to agree with Unnameable, but you beat me to it. :) You are emphasizing his point that there are more than five senses. Balance is not hearing, although the apparatus is located in the same area, and each different sort of physical sensation is distinct, although they use the same pathways for communication.

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Though I have no intention of 'flaunting' any knowledge, I feel compelled to say that I have undergone extensive and long studies of human biology, particularly that of human anatomy and physiology, histology, microbiology, and specializing in neurology (including the senses) and endocrinology.
It seems no coincidence that one's sense of balance and sense of hearing incorporate themselves in the same region of the human body - the inner ear. Just like in perceiving something heard, one senses balance through the movement, diffusion, and adjustment to gravity by the fluids within the inner ear, particularly the cochlea and semicircular canals, both of which eventually attach themselves to the same nerve, the vestibular cochlear nerve, subsequently leading to the brain.
Additionally, both hearing and the sense of balance sense through vibrations, placing the smallest and most sensitive bones of the body, the malleus, incus, and stapes. These vibrations lead to the same pathways, disrupting the fluids within the cochlea and three semicircular canals (one vertical, one horizontal, one diagnal).
Thus, by the same means of perception of balance and hearing, but interpreted differently in the temporal lobe and sensory cortex of the brain, this, I believe, makes the sense of balance and hearing nearly synonymous.

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Originally Posted by mono

Though I have no intention of 'flaunting' any knowledge, I feel compelled to say that I have undergone extensive and long studies of human biology, particularly that of human anatomy and physiology, histology, microbiology, and specializing in neurology (including the senses) and endocrinology.
It seems no coincidence that one's sense of balance and sense of hearing incorporate themselves in the same region of the human body - the inner ear. Just like in perceiving something heard, one senses balance through the movement, diffusion, and adjustment to gravity by the fluids within the inner ear, particularly the cochlea and semicircular canals, both of which eventually attach themselves to the same nerve, the vestibular cochlear nerve, subsequently leading to the brain.
Additionally, both hearing and the sense of balance sense through vibrations, placing the smallest and most sensitive bones of the body, the malleus, incus, and stapes. These vibrations lead to the same pathways, disrupting the fluids within the cochlea and three semicircular canals (one vertical, one horizontal, one diagnal).
Thus, by the same means of perception of balance and hearing, but interpreted differently in the temporal lobe and sensory cortex of the brain, this, I believe, makes the sense of balance and hearing nearly synonymous.

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I understand what you are saying, but are sound and balance the same? I think not. The same equipment is used to do two different things. The same knife could be used to make a wood carving and to slit a throst. Does that mean that those two actions are "nearly synonymous"?

"Prophet!" said I, "thing of evil--prophet still, if bird or devil!
By that heaven that bends above us--by that God we both adore--
Tell this soul with sorrow laden, if, within the distant Aidenn,
It shall clasp a sainted maiden, whom the angels name Lenore---
Clasp a rare and radiant maiden, whom the angels name Lenore?
Quoth the raven, "Nevermore."

The Raven by Edgar Allan Poe

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sensory memory
Sensory memory is our ability to retain impressions of sensory information after the original stimulus has ceased.

One of the earliest investigations into this phenomenon was in 1740 by Johann Andreas Segner (1704 - 1777) the German physicist and mathematician. In an elegant experiment Segner attached a glowing coal to a cartwheel and rotated the wheel at increasing speed until an unbroken circle of light was perceived by the observer. He calculated that the glowing coal needed to make a complete circle in under 100ms to achieve this effect.

Sensory memory is still considered to operate within this approximate time frame (under 1 second and certainly no more than 2) and so can be seen to be very short lived. It is also characterised by being outside of conscious control (i.e. it happens automatically and unbidden). Despite retaining information for a very short period if time, it is not to be confused with short term memory (which typically lasts 10-15 seconds without rehearsal of the remembered material) and is so named to distinguish it from long term memory which can store information for as long as a lifetime.

http://www.answers.com/topic/sensory-memory

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There are different types of memory. The brain may or may not submit short term memory to LTM (long term memory), depends on what it is, its importance maybe. Unlike a computer's harddisk, which is manufactured and rigid in it's role, the human brain varies from person to person, as does its input and output senses. For example's sake, caching of information in a computer is similar to 'practice' in humans. Put simply, the more often a piece of information is requested, the more easily/faster that same information is made available. Practice = Importance. That explains for me, how practicing a 'sense' or 'combination of senses' can refine it and make it stronger.

Another type of information that I can class as a type of memory, and in general, is 'instinct'. We see this passing down effect from one generation to the next, and so on. Its effect is distributed, but also collective within humanity. To jump a little bit here, a feature of a 'seance' is people holding hands in a circle; I guess there are lots of methods, whatever got some results maybe. I don't know if clairvoyants, or Nostradamus for example, had to be close to humans to get some energy feedback, but they must have practiced particular senses or combinations. However, all this does not explain 'premonition' - how they can see into the future. Or, does it?

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Originally Posted by amanda_isabel

a sixth sense. it can be intuition, or the ability to see those from the underworld, or the undead, the power to see the future or the power of the mind to do things beyond normal, like lifting objects and, well, kinda like the stuff they do in Star Wars with all the mind control. i believe such things exist in everyone. everyone has a sixth sense waiting to be activated or something.

tell me, is there anyone here with an opened sixth sense? or anyone who knows someone who has an opened sixth sense?

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I always thought there was just a 'sixth' sense beyond the five, and the sixth sense embraced everything beyond the first five. The point of classifying beyond the first five doesn't seem to make much sense when there could be 100 as byquist's post indicated, or when we can say there are an infinite number of possibilities.

I think I have a 'closed' sixth sense, and the other five are not far behind at times. I do know a 'clairvoyant' who has defied my gravity. I usually dismiss this type of thing, so I do not know very much about it, except this one time. I could not offer up a reason as to how they 'knew' something. A particular example spanned over 20 years, it was true. What kind of fluke was this, or was it auto-suggestion; I have a hard time rationalizing that, but then I could be just thick. I am always amazed when I read Nostradamus, and of course, we must be wary of information like this, so questioning the heck out of it is a good idea, eh. :nod:

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Originally Posted by amanda_isabel

good question, peter.

how can a blind man sense if another is present, aside from hearing?

i think this is because we all radiate an aura, and, a blind person has learned to 'see' without seeing. and so i wonder, is this also an adaptive mechanism for those who are born with incomplete 5 senses?

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Bats have radar, do you think humans have a very limited radar that comes into use when practiced, gets stronger because of the need for it? Interesting that radar came from a bat's need to move around in the dark, which points again at nature's ability to reshape/combine those first five senses and turn them into something else, useful.