In "The Wife of Bath's Tale" Chaucer asks the same question i.e. what do women want most? He comes to the conclusion that women want to have power over men :D
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In "The Wife of Bath's Tale" Chaucer asks the same question i.e. what do women want most? He comes to the conclusion that women want to have power over men :D
Actor William Devane explained the popularity of soap operas as "women punishing men."Quote:
Originally Posted by Monica
See, this is a legitimate intellectual question. We have input from the father of psychoanalysis, a successfull playwright/screenwriter, a modern yeoman actor, an Old English author and a handful of sarcastic forum posters (including me.)
We have that don't we?Quote:
Originally Posted by Monica
I assumed your question was leading that way. You asked what man can give all that? Which lead me to the conclusion that you believe that men aren't capable of being in long term relationships and since we have empirical proof that they are....Quote:
Originally Posted by starrwriter
the term excellent film is debatable. I watched the film and didn't recognize any characteristics or behaviors, of course I wasn't looking - I think I fell asleep.Quote:
Good fiction is full of insights about human nature. Aside from the excellent film I described, I have observed Frankie's behavior in plenty of real women
Take Waynes World - those were my friends!! Except we had less testosterone, but about the same amount of hair.
The question originally posed asked if, 'men, or any man,was capable of 'unconditional love.' I think the question wavers in focus, limiting the scope of the answer and so limiting the scope of the many truths an answer to such a question could supply.....
....and I think that social expectations cloud the reality of the chances of ANY two people living in spousal bliss for an entire lifetime ( notwithstanding the constant bombardment from aspects of our societies constantly reassuring us that such a state is the most 'natural') is slim!! (yeah, a damn long winded sentence, I know...) Sure, living 'happily everafter' will occurr for some couples, but how 'natural' is the lifetime 'commitment' to the biologic that is a human being?
But, again, back to the original question: Men that will love unconditionally? They are everywhere!!! Women that will love unconditionally??? They are everywhere!!!! Humans that don't understand that men and woman are alike, but only express themselves differently??? Well, unfortunately, they are everywhere too.......
......6+ billion people on the planet, 6+billion different personalities..............life is not about man versus women (no heirarchy intended by this given order of words) , BUT life is about OURSELF VS ENLIGHTENMENT.....on a grand scale my friends.....hugs all around for the peanut gallery.......
What do I want?
Well let see...just a cup of hot coffee.
IMO, I think most of the guys who replied in this thread are merely being pretentious...
The assumption is that all women want the same thing?Quote:
Originally Posted by starrwriter
I saw the movie and loved it. I remember feeling for Michelle Pfeiffer's character even though I did not experience the things she did (or ever have for that matter). I do believe that there are some women out there who can identify with Pfeiffer's character (and some men with Pacino's) but I think it is an awfully bold (or bald?? :D) assumption that all men and women feel/act/react in the same way and like Debussy and 'Claire de Lune' as much.Quote:
So what do women want today? I think screenwriter Terrence McNally provided the answer in the 1991 film "Frankie and Johnny," which he adapted from his stage play.
However, does this question say something about the expectations of some men at least? Would they be willing to give more if the women have the 'right' kind of looks? If a woman is as attractive as Pfeiffer, would she be entitled better treatment or more patience from men? Do (some) men feel as long as their girlfriends/wives are good looking, they will cope with most things and demands?Quote:
Originally Posted by starrwriter
Nothing is universally valid for ALL men and women, including genuine humanity. Should we therefore abandon the study of psychology? Or observe the behavior of particular individuals and try to draw a few general conclusions (one being there is a little bit of them in us).Quote:
Originally Posted by Scheherazade
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scheherazade
Not entitled, but she would get more slack anyway. I know, men are pigs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scheherazade
Who am I to argue with you on that?Quote:
Originally Posted by starrwriter
:p
Or honest, which amounts to the same thing in many cases.Quote:
Originally Posted by subterranean
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Originally Posted by starrwriter
Heh-heh. I just wanted to say it first, since I knew it was coming somewhere down the line.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scheherazade
The truth is both men and women are hardwired to slobber over attractive/sexy. It's Primate Biology 101.
I think rather than a general question, asking individual their expectations would get you more clearer answers. I am sometimes surprised by the choices my closest female friends make so I don't think I can give healthy answers about other female's expectations and wants.Quote:
Originally Posted by starrwriter
Disclaimer: The fact that my present screen name on the MSN is 'The Primate' is purely coincidental!Quote:
The truth is both men and women are hardwired to slobber over attractive/sexy. It's Primate Biology 101.
:goof:
But you ARE a primate. No reason to disavow it, unless you're a lot more squeamish than I am.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scheherazade
Well this is just an eternal question, possibly a pointless one, and I hope that starrwriter didn't want a real answer but a discussion... the discussion can go on forever and it can go funny or heated, but... well, it will never reach a full stop.
I think women want protection (yeah, especially from bugs :D)...possibly all of them (us), especially those who are independant and look self-confident... possibly more than the small sweet-looking ones who pretend to be so naive that they had protection all their life...
(if I dont make sense it's because some links remain in my mind rather than where they should be expressed, just dont mind).
I think men should realise a lot of things... what do MEN want after all? i've tried to be myself, I've tried not to be, I've blamed it on being fat, on being black-haired, on being too shy or too silly or too clever or too independant or too insignificant or on having too much personality... I've concluded that my destiny is too be single.
And watch out...a lot of men are cowards so all of you out there who are not (if there are some), you'll have to work very hard to make up for this impression your colleagues (as in male) gave us. :mad:
Can a man love a woman unconditionately? (and vice versa?) Possibly, even outside of movies. In any case, not forever... one has to be a fool to believe in eternal love... Probably being a fool makes them lucky cos they can believe in relationships, but still, it's foolish.
hey starr,
ever thought of a night time job as a stand up comedian. you're the best