I would say agnostics have faith. They just have faith in the impossibilty of knowing through human perception.
Perhaps it could be said that they have faith in skepticism.
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I would say agnostics have faith. They just have faith in the impossibilty of knowing through human perception.
Perhaps it could be said that they have faith in skepticism.
Faith definitely comes into play here, I agree entirely. I suppose I have a lot of trouble with so much labeling of religions and beliefs, and would like to think that we all have separate interpretations of, not only truth and perception, but religious texts (the Pope, I can easily assume, has very different interpretations of The Bible from Anton Szandor LaVey, for example). The labels, when you think of it, only apply to clumps of people who share similar interpretations, and a cult differs from a whole religion only by the number of its followers.Quote:
Originally Posted by B-Mental
Faith and reason, I doubt will ever agree, and I have always viewed them as antagonistic pumping valves. Faith and reason, of course, can appear in accord with each other sometimes, but nothing will ever scientifically prove or disprove certain aspects of faith, and vice versa. Though I usually do not admit my faith in these forums, I consider myself a 'spiritual theist,' and not really declaring any religion, but mainly skepticism.
In the Old Testament, the Hebrew word Elohim is used to talk about God, the -im at the end of it is used in Hebrew to mean 3 or more, showing that God is made of 3 or more, the Trinity. The words Father and Son were just used so that we could relate to it easier. The Son's purpose is to act as a Mediator, to relate to humans, and that is usually it's purpose in the Old Testament. As to it being the Holy Spirit, there is also another being that is called The Spirit of God, but it rarely shows up and is used for special purposes and taken away shortly after. One instance is Besalel, who was the man filled with the Spirit of God to build the Ark of the Covenant.
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The son was mentioned in the Old Testament, in Daniel 3:25-He answered
and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they
have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God. - KJV
That is a prophecy. I meant in terms of him dealing with the people of IsraelQuote:
Originally Posted by Rocket618
I beg to differ, from experience, agnostics have doubt, the opposite of faith. An agnostic would not make a leap of faith. The impossibility of knowing is doubt. To have faith one must accept something regardless of possibility of knowing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycheinaboat
I agree, agnostics dont' believe in God whole heartidly, they merely say, God is the best explenation within our current understanding. And doubt being the fuel for sin, it would appear that they are still stuck on the earthly concept of man.Quote:
Originally Posted by B-Mental
Hmm, Stab, if we are not mistaken, agnostics statement isn't that god is the best explanation. They say that God's existence cannot be proven, but we can't still eliminate the existence of him.
Or at least we have heard so.
OK, back to the topic of Christians for a second. I've noticed that the harder I try to perform good deeds, the more I am beset by others that view me as weak. Does that make any sense? The kinder I am the more often persons seek to challenge me.
Not at all. Read Romans chapter seven & eight for a Biblical explaination of this phenomena. :angel:Quote:
Originally Posted by B-Mental
Well since I am a Messianic Jew I fit into another compartment altogether.But I bow down and worship (yep bow down) Jesus as the second Person of the Trinity.
I came to this place through a long journey and God did not seem to be offended at me.
I believe passionately that the Holy Spirit calls us gently every day and longs to share with us about God but it is our choice wether to listen or not. I myself did not for the longest time Ijust had to search out well, everything to make sure in my heart these things are so.
So what the others are saying I said and take no offence whatsoever.
"The fool says in his heart there is no God." Holy Scripture
I agree, Taliesin. I am not really agnostic, but I deal with doubt (a lot) in my Christian faith.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taliesin
When Huxley coined the phrase "agnostic" he defined it as meaning that God cannot be proven or disproven using human perception of material phenomena.
The reason I posted that I felt that agnostics could still be said to have faith in skepticism or the impossibilty of knowing about God for certain, was that I feel that most of us have faith in something. To deny faith and belief in one thing is to usually claim faith in something else.
I may have been mistaken to bring this up on a thread about and for Christians, but my remarks were made in response to previous remarks on this topic. :)
Is Christ the head of your life? This is a Christian thread. It's all about CHRIST and not us. CHRIST- I Am Nothing. (CHRISTIAN)
Is He the head of your life? The first thought in all that you do ? Do you acknowledge Him in all that you do? Seek His direction for your plans and life? That is a short challenge I leave with you, fellow Christians.
Are you conducting your life in obedience to him- not merely on this website but even in your lives? His ultimate command: Go INTO the world and preach the gospel to every creature. Are you obeying? Or are you reasoning with yourself that it is not for you? Are you a believer and a follower of Jesus? If so, all the 49 commands that Christ gave is directed to you. Are you following them?
Can it be said of you, "well done, good and faithful servant." Are you faithful in the little things that God gave you to do? :nod:
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Originally Posted by Adelheid
I feel that you are a bit upset with some of the things said on this thread. If you have Christ in your heart then does it not make it a little bit about ourselves. After all our faith is within our being's very soul and Adelheid you opened that door. We of faith follow and practice differently then you but we are judge by one being in the end. I hear how strong your faith is to you but when you opened this thread other faith is shining as well. Not trying to offend you but Christians of all kinds are not going see Christainity the same.
Spiritualist is a diffent type of Chirstain faith and also is misunderstood by many. I felt welcomed to learn about Christians faith when you opened this thread and I am learning a lot from this thread. Just do not get upset but allow people to open up their beings to you and others. Sorry I think I am being too pushy and lecturing where I should not. I just wanted you to know it is so nice to read others ideals it adds to my own spiritual growth. :)