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Yes and no.Quote:
Originally Posted by prendrelemick
He's revered, and rightly so, for his cricket achievements, but as a person, he's a prize dick, which doesn't endear him to the troops. A good guide would be that many famous sportspeople make their way into politics as they have good recognition, which is all that's needed, really.
Hadlee wouldn't get voted dog-catcher.
Even his wife left him. For a woman....
That's about what I thought. He's one of those blokes who looks as though they've got halitosis. Greatest Cricketer of his day though.
Classic!Quote:
Originally Posted by prendrelemick
And spot on.
Yep, I don't think there's too much dissent there, only thanks to his career not overlapping Beefy greatly, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by prendrelemick
I still think he's the best cricketer I've seen, and by a good margin. His bowling average was fairly similar to Hadlee's, but Beefy could destroy you with bat or ball, or both!
Nice how they saved their best cricket for Australia! That's the sign of real class.
In his pomp I agree. The trouble with Beefy is he started with a bang, then drifted slowly downhill for a long long time.
Hadlee's only rival for Best All Rounder of his day, is Imran Khan, never a grafter, he always seemed to strike exactly when needed.
The best ever - Garfield Sobers? I never saw him myself.
Statistically speaking it is the South African Jacques Kallis, but what do Scotsmen know about cricket, given our abysmal record ?Quote:
Originally Posted by prendrelemick
-never thought sober deserved a line, bowl, or glass in a cold ale thread
Good point, we should Boycott the use of that word.
Yeah, but for the highly admirable reasons that he got off on the fame and kicked back to enjoy the women, booze and drugs for a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by prendrelemick
Me neither, but I agree it would have been nice to watch. The few clips I've seen are impressive.Quote:
Originally Posted by prendrelemick
I was going to find all sorts of reasons to disagree with you here, but taking Hadlee, Botham, Khan and Dev's relatively weak batting figures, and the fact that he has more wickets than Garry Sobers - at a better average - you might well be right! His batting average is only very slightly inferior to Sobers, and while he's much lower than the other group in bowling, comparing them from a batting perspective shows a gulf of difference. His batting average is only .09 behind Sachin Bleeding Tendulkar!Quote:
Originally Posted by jocky
I've always looked at Kallis as a batsman who bowls, but maybe it's because his batting is so superb that his bowling just gets overlooked, but 260 wickets at 32 is hard to deny.
There you go - we've all been watching the greatest allrounder in history without even knowing it!
Aye, but I did qualify it by saying "stastically speaking" . No one can dispute the figures and his batting technique is superb but on entertainment value, which we all covet, I am not sure. I hate agreeing with Mick but watching Beefy charging down to the crease and belting the ball over the ground was superb. Statistics do not always tell the whole story. Whatever Botham lacked in finesse he more than made up with pure determination. Now can we back to the fitba. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by The Atheist
:D Just a jocky observation, we all know that life can be bad and has a nasty habit of kicking one in the gonads but imagine the scenario. You find out that the Missus is having a fling so you get tooled up to confront the marriage wrecker. You put on your best pair of steel toe caps, polish the old knuckle duster and head for High Noon only to discover the interloper is a decent looking female. :smilielol5:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Atheist
Well gentlemen, we now have structure to the play. It took a bit of innovation to weave the idiosyncratic parts together in such a way as to make sense to the average Joe.
I designed the structure in a manner that will allow for final additions, but we are up against a deadline which is yet to be determined and a method for delivery which is yet to be determined.
There's still time to send in a few more lines!
I'm thinking we present on Christmas eve in a stand alone thread under "General Chat". Any obejections?, other ideas?
In the meantime, here is a teaser:
A Cold Ale Blokes Production
In association with
Flat Earth Poets Society
Presents
"SHE STOMPS TO CONQUER"
A Christmas play in the manner of Goldsmith
Dramatis Personae
Bigfoot Foote
Madam Foote
Little Feete (Madam and Bigfoot’s children)
Cousin Yeti
First Clown from Scotland
Marry the Second Clown from Scotland
Yorkshire Minstrel
Van Trapp Singers
Village Idiot
Uncle Skookum
TBRC
The Flat Earth Poets:
J=Jocky; P=Prendrelemick; PC=Paulclem; G=Gbrekken; G=Gilliatt TVZ= Townes van Zandt (Lyrics to Pancho and Lefty)
Act I
Scene I
(Setting: A small clearing among towering Loblolly pines and Sweetgums, somewhere in East Texas near the Louisiana border. Black Capped Chickadees are heard flitting about plucking seeds from pinecones, a Blue Jay periodically interrupts the Chickadees industrious foraging with their obnoxious squawks, armadillos struggle to augur the stiff January ground in search of grubs and nuts. Good ole boys can be heard in the distance whoop’n an holler’n an firing guns in a drunken mêlée. It is winter, “The Winter of our Discontent”. The musky odor of gigantopithecus permeates the whorefrost suspended in the crisp dawn air.)
(Two clowns from Scotland enter the clearing. Marry carries a cricket bat and spies a hollow log)
Marry the Second Clown:
There was a young dude.........
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...and that's when Shane Warne rings the doorbell. It seems one of them has sent him a text message.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by jocky
Sorry, I didn't see that message above till now...
That's one of the good things about cricket, stats say so much.Quote:
Originally Posted by jocky
Fitba? I thought the games were all cancelled? A little snow stopping them, pah!
There's a lot of it about. My boy used to haveb a boy in his class who had two mums picking him up after school.Quote:
Originally Posted by jocky
(Not that either of 'em were much to look at!)
Magnificent stuff!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilliatt Gurgle
Shane Warne. Now a chat show host, if you didn't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silas Thorne
One of the world's biggest-ever prats.
I have to say, its a bit shorter than I expected.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilliatt Gurgle
The Best Ever, is nothing to do with statistics - its about impressions.Quote:
Originally Posted by jocky
So, for me
Bowler - Joel Garner
Batsman - Viv Richards
All Rounder - Ian Botham
I am a child of the 70s in case you hadn't guessed.
I'd go along with Joel Garner - watching him had me awestruck. I cannot imagine what it was like having the ball coming down from 9' at 100 mph. I would have certainly needed my incontinence pads in.Quote:
Originally Posted by prendrelemick
Pity they didn't keep strike rates in tests in Richards' day, but I'd have to go for Tendulkar as batsman. Just makes it look so easy.
I saw Tendulkar at Headingley as a raw young lad, he had everything even then.