What is redemption but to take responsiblity for your mistakes?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFifthElement
And Snape did that with his life?
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What is redemption but to take responsiblity for your mistakes?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFifthElement
And Snape did that with his life?
Did he choose the path of 'Good', or did he choose to place his love for Lily above his fear of Voldemort, and it just so happened that the way to achieve that was to betray Voldemort, secretly? The path of good was expedient, rather than a conscious choice. Would he have stood by and allowed James and Harry to be killed, if Lily's safety was guaranteed, or in fact if Voldemort could have delivered Lily to him on a platter? How many other people did he not care about, didn't try to protect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Annamariah
His choice was selfish, not motivated by the desire to be 'good', or do the right thing.
Thinking the best for someone you love is a good thing. And if that is selfish, then most of our choices are selfish. Perhaps all are.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFifthElement
It's a perceptive point you make Pensieve, and I fall into my own paradox here because I truly do believe that everything we do, we do for selfish reasons. That being said my point was not so much that Snape was thinking the best for Lily, but rather that he was thinking about what was best for himself, and therein his actions were selfish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pensive
This point made me think. If someone does something out of love, does that always make it good?Quote:
Thinking the best for someone you love is a good thing.
Yeah, the whole selfishness thing is quite complex itself. Don't we all think the best for ourselves? Even when we choose to sacrifice something belonging to us, don't we do it to soothe ourselves? Don't we make this choice for a happy conscience? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFifthElement
Nope, it doesn't but sticking to your love (especially if this sticking wouldn't be a source of hurt generally) or thinking the best for your loved one I think is quite good. Snape did that. If this makes him selfish, then we all are selfish. :pQuote:
This point made me think. If someone does something out of love, does that always make it good?
How so? How is protecting Harry best for him?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFifthElement
Who said anything about Harry?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lote-Tree
You said Snape acted on selfish reason's but how is protecting Harry a Selfish reason?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFifthElement
Snape acted on selfish reasons in turning from Voldemort to the 'path of good' because what prompted the move was the threat to Lily. Once on the path of good it would take some intervening act to turn him back to the dark side (oops, wrong reference!) which never occurred. Perhaps what held him there was his commitment to Dumbledore, considering he never showed any affection for Harry, merely despised him because of his resemblance to his Dad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lote-Tree
Why do you think Snape stayed on the path of good?
Because he loved Lily and felt he was responsible for her death: Remorse.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFifthElement
OK, I'm a fan of the Harry Potter books since the first movie showed up until I read the epilogue of HP Deathly Hallows. I was really, really disappointed, wishing that I could change it or wishing it never happened. *sighs*
The whole world knows and maybe have read all the seven Harry Potter books -- some of them likes the ending and some of them don't. In every book that you read or in every movies that you watched, the ending really matters there. What's the use if -- for example, there are three books and the first two books are really cool, but the last one sucks pretty bad. That also goes in movies and in some other stuffs. It's like you are creating a building very slowly and then at the end, it brokes and all your hardships were wasted. POOF! Gone. Nothing left.
I thought the ending of number 7 was still alright. It gives the series closure, and it also lets you know that Voldermort is well and truly gone this time. I also like that it shows that everyone survived. Not just keeping their lives, but everyone pulled together the pieces of life even after everyone lost. They were able to come back from something terrible, but they didn't forget the people who lost their lives so they could live. I thought it was touching, and it was a nice way to end the series even if it was a little cliche.
Potter fans, I have something to tell you! Dumbledore is gay! Do you believe that? He was in love with his enemy Grindelwald when he was young. Here is part of the article from:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/book....ap/index.html
I can't believe it... do you?Quote:
NEW YORK - With author J.K. Rowling's revelation that master wizard Albus Dumbledore is gay, some passages about the Hogwarts headmaster and rival wizard Gellert Grindelwald have taken on a new and clearer meaning.
The British author stunned her fans at Carnegie Hall on Friday night when she answered one young reader's question about Dumbledore by saying that he was gay and had been in love with Grindelwald, whom he had defeated years ago in a bitter fight.
'"You cannot imagine how his ideas caught me, Harry, inflamed me,'" Dumbledore says in "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows," the seventh and final book in Rowling's record-breaking fantasy series.
The news brought gasps, then applause at Carnegie Hall, the last stop on Rowling's brief U.S. tour, and set off thousands of e-mails on Potter fan Web sites around the world. Some were dismayed, others indifferent, but most were supportive.
Definitely enough! Still quite reasonable, though. I would've inferred that from the content of the books, yet I never did notice.
Officially "outting" Dumbledore was unnecessary. It added nothing to the series, other than to be politically correct and add a gay character to the roster.
There was plenty of inference in the last book for people to make that connection if they wished.