The Earth is FIXED in Space

Hi there BienvenuJDC,

I struggled with this for some time myself. Not because it was complex but because it was so darned simple. It literally goes against our culture, our 'education'. But not against the discoveries of those who work in these scientific fields. So that we end up with the 'authority' of those who disagree with it ranged against the actual, verifiable facts of the Earth on which we live.

It says a lot you are willing to examine both views. Regardless of your conclusions.

I've also seen the following link -

http://sites.google.com/site/earthdeception/

Best wishes

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Originally Posted by BienvenuJDC

Musicology,

I will concede to your basic premise. I have thought about it, that the earth only moves in reference to the other bodies...and the other bodies only move in reference to other perspectives. However, there is much that I disagree with you on, but I will allow you the first inch.

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What do you understand about the Non-Euclidean Geometry?

I guess to dispute the basic concept would beg one question...

Which point in space have we confirmed is (without doubt) FIXED?

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Originally Posted by The Atheist

I can answer that.

Every scientific, rational and astronomy board has rules which would disallow this kind of behaviour.

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Yes, they would expect someone flying in and making outrageous claims to understand the concept of 'disconfirming evidence.' And to answer direct questions about his theory instead of evading them.

Ever notice that Robert always makes claims that by his own admission "fly in the face of everything we know"? Is it through some sort of delusion of grandeur that Robert feels he has penetrated the veil of propaganda and reached a Truth that has eluded the rest of us? And what gives him the right to browbeat and insult those of us who try to point out the problems with his bold but not particularly coherent claims?

Regards,

Istvan

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Originally Posted by Babbalanja

Ever notice that Robert always makes claims that by his own admission "fly in the face of everything we know"? Is it through some sort of delusion of grandeur that Robert feels he has penetrated the veil of propaganda and reached a Truth that has eluded the rest of us? And what gives him the right to browbeat and insult those of us who try to point out the problems with his bold but not particularly coherent claims?

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I have come to the conclusion that the poster is not serious at all, and the silly claims were made simply for amusement.It becomes funny when people treat the silly claims as serious, because people are so overly polite and serious minded that they don't simply laugh at the idea that the Earth might be "fixed in the heavens".

So,we can definitely repeat again:

It is MATHEMATICALLY IMPOSSIBLE for the earth to be fixed in space as it is impossible for the sun and moon to orbit the earth for the evidence cited above.

When will you finally acknowledge this, Mus?

'We' have not confirmed anything. What we have shown is that the exponents of a 'rotating Earth' cannot provide a single measured, verifiable fact to support their view of a 'rotating Earth'. While those who believe in a stable, fixed Earth, have produced example after example which is consistent with the Earth being fixed. At rest.

The evidence indicates that the Earth is fixed in space in the sense discussed here at some length (at least) that it is not rotating on its axis.

Since that is the limit of what we have tried to discuss here. (It is fixed in other ways. But these we have not discussed).

So, I guess, we can summarise by saying the Earth is fixed in the sense it is not proved by any evidence presented here to be rotating on its axis at a speed of around 1,000 mph (West to East) as we are taught in textbooks. Since nobody has any verifiable, measurable facts to support that view. And what we have, instead, indicates that the Earth is at rest. Not rotating, as described above.

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Originally Posted by BienvenuJDC

What do you understand about the Non-Euclidean Geometry?

I guess to dispute the basic concept would beg one question...

Which point in space have we confirmed is (without doubt) FIXED?

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Is space fixed? Is that a question that we can even entertain?

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Originally Posted by Musicology

The evidence indicates that the Earth is fixed in space in the sense discussed here at some length (at least) that it is not rotating on its axis.

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Oh, yes? Which evidence is that?

Certainly not the one of the moon EVERY NIGHT in the sky! Because that is MATHEMIATICALLY IMPOSSIBLE. So, is reality mathematically impossible? I don't think so.

Think again.

Since time had a 'beginning' it will have an 'end'. So, in this sense, space has a beginning and an end. But in my view we are far from knowing much of space or what space actually is. It is the context within what we know of the universe occurs. So that it may be, in some way or ways a manifestation of time itself.

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Originally Posted by BienvenuJDC

Is space fixed? Is that a question that we can even entertain?

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Originally Posted by Musicology

Q1 - Yes, I accept the Earth is approximately spherical
Q2 - As to whether the stars are many light years away or only a few is of secondary importance to the fact they create effects which we can observe and even measure from here on Earth.

Those are my answers.

May we finally have yours ?

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My answers are Yes and Yes.

So - as you seem unsure of whether the stars are many or few light years away, let's say they are all one light year away. That's 5,865,696,000,000 miles. Assuming you know basic maths, we can say that the circumference of the circle the star has to travel to get around the earth would be given by 2*pi*r where r is a light year.

Give or take a significant figure, that's 36,648,868,000,000 miles. As we're going to divide this by twenty-four to get miles per hour, let's call it 36,000,000,000,000.

So, in order to make a full circle around the earth in twenty-four hours, a star only one light year away would have to travel at 150,000,000,000mph.

Or 416,666,666 miles per second. Which is - and this is the bit that confuses me - two thousand times the speed of light.

Now - are you prepared to go to the next stage, where I explain the apparent paradox of the flight-times each way between Miami and Los Angeles on a spinning globe, and you explain the apparent paradox of stars travelling at more than the speed of light in order to get around the earth in twenty-four hours?

My clicker is at nine Musicology..... Seriously, answer my damn questions and I'll play your little game.

1. Why doesn't the moon go through all its phases in one day if the sun passes it each day?

2. What causes the whole of the universe to rotate around the earth?

3. Why does it take the moon longer than the REST OF THE UNIVERSE to rotate around us?

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hey kevvy. Don't you think that's a little harsh? I mean, asking him to explain how everything works in one post? This stuff has got to take YEARS to explain and understand. Just accept it and don't ask questions, and it will all make sense!

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Originally Posted by skib

Just accept it and don't ask questions, and it will all make sense!

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Religion at its finest.

After reading this thread through and through, I suddenly understand why my ancestors fled Europe.

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Originally Posted by kevinthediltz

Religion at its finest.

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Wow..that is a major generalization...