Printable View
There are lots of creation myths, i.e. lots of different ideas in different religions about who were the first humans and how they came to be. If you're religious, which religion you subscribe to is largely a matter of which one you have been given the most exposure to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ancestor
As Dyrwen's posts indicate, there's plenty of evidence still around about where we actually came from.
The chances of finding DNA from Adam and Eve is highly unlikely that it could be tested today. Even if we find their DNA how would we prove the DNA is truly Adam and Eve's. Where would this evidence be located at and how you we know for sure, after all it still would be theory.
Even scientist themselves depend on God's creation and even have God in their lives. It is such a great contradict to your faith in God if you don't believe that God did every little existing thing. It's as simple as you believe your parents bore a child and that was you, but then the birth documents is not enough for you, but instead still looking for proofs. You know, sometimes we should have to put faith and believing first before you knew it at the end than believing that which is based on human knowledge although they were really intellectual,but God is GREAT.Believing that, its enough to proving we are His creation and not from any evolution.Besides, we are His highest form of creation and we ought to give thanks for that and not to use His given wisdom to screw the Ideals of creation. thanks for reading me!
Tiny explorer, no offence or anything, but why believe in the Christian god in particular? We could just as well believe in Zeus and Thor or any of the old mythologies. Or in any other religion existing today. Is Christianity any more relevant than any other religion?
The fact is, if you can believe something that only requires faith, you are stuck with the problem of which faith to choose; all of them are equally correct if having faith in something makes it 'real'. This problem is, of course, solved by your cultural background and upbringing - you are likely to inherit religious "memes" from your parents, grandparents, etc. If you come from a long line of Jews, then it's likely you will be a Jew. If you come from a long line of Christians...then would it surprise anyone if you were a Christian? My point is, no religion is "superior" or "more correct" or "going to save us more than any of the others". Religions are, like people, simply different.
It isn't about finding some random two people's DNA being the origin of all things. It's about the fact that if we descended from two people, then their original DNA would be easily spotted amongst our own DNA because it would be the one thing that surprisingly would be the same for all people. We'd all share that same gene, or at least a recessive trait of it somewhere in the DNA chain. They've yet to find any evidence of said DNA anomally and considering we have mapped the entire genome, if it isn't there, then we just aren't all related.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ancestor
.......hmmmm......all of us here at the site.......related to each other................ *shudder*
I do not think that tiny explorer implied that his religion is superior or more correct. tiny explorer was stating that he believed his to be true and I did not get the impression tiny explorer was converting us. I came to the same faith as my parents only ten years ago and I do not practice my faith the same way they do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
I only brought up DNA to use as an example of proof I would require knowing full well that it would be impossible to do. Mitochondrial DNA is the only strand of DNA that can survive the longest in human remains. Therefore it would be impossible to determine Adams DNA at least. I honestly cannot say if all humans are related to each other but someone down the road could prove me wrong. There is always a possibility that my ideals are and I prefer to state if I am not a 100% correct anyone is welcome to prove me wrong. That is the only way I can learn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dyrwen
Perhaps I misunderstood. I thought Tiny Explorer was implying that we shouldn't doubt Christianity, that faith is enough to prove that we are of God's creation. If this is so, then heaven must be pretty crowded by now by all the gods that have ever existed. The Greeks were created by the Greek gods, the Norse by the Norse gods, the Jews by the Jewish god, the Muslims by Allah, the Christians by God Almighty...and there are of course, many other religions in the world. There is soon chaos.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ancestor
Which god is supreme? The one who has created or converted the most people?
That's just it. The Christian thing of "we are the best". "We are God's favourites" and "we shouldn't meddle with His intentions". We are no better than overgrown monkeys, full stop.Quote:
Originally Posted by tiny explorer
We now live in an era in which we are advanced enough technologically to see and analyse the evidence. It would be a very nice thing if people finally realised that material evidence is, after all, more plausible than an odd assortment of myths and legends.
But don't get me wrong - I'm not trying to say that it's ethically wrong to be a Christian. Just as long as Christianity allows scientists and atheists (as well as members of other religious cults) to be created by whom they choose. If they want to be made of stardust that is billions of years old...then why not? It is, after all, just as poetic as being created by a giant, bearded fellow with a rather odd sense of humour.
Loki
I noticed your signature Loki (Thank God I'm an atheist... ) are you truly a atheist? I was just curious and hope that I am not imposing on something that may be personal. For the longest time in my life I never believed in a higher being but now I do.Quote:
Perhaps I misunderstood. I thought Tiny Explorer was implying that we shouldn't doubt Christianity, that faith is enough to prove that we are of God's creation. If this is so, then heaven must be pretty crowded by now by all the gods that have ever existed. The Greeks were created by the Greek gods, the Norse by the Norse gods, the Jews by the Jewish god, the Muslims by Allah, the Christians by God Almighty...and there are of course, many other religions in the world. There is soon chaos.
Which god is supreme? The one who has created or converted the most
Yeah, I'm an atheist; I feel very lucky to have been brought up one. My parents are both atheists, though my mum loves the Zen philosophy (as I do myself). I have that as my signature because it's one of my favourite oxymorons.Quote:
I noticed your signature Loki (Thank God I'm an atheist... ) are you truly a atheist? I was just curious and hope that I am not imposing on something that may be personal. For the longest time in my life I never believed in a higher being but now I do.
Oh, thank you for answering me and I gather I was not being too personal for which I am glad of that.
Not at all. Me being an atheist was never meant to be any secret. :)
Has anyone else seen that Simpsons episode where Lisa finds what appears to be the skeleton of an angel and it is then worshipped by the people of the town? Lisa's really sure it must be a hoax, so she takes a sample of it to be tested in a lab. Homer's angry response: 'Facts! Facts are meaningless. You can use facts to prove anything even remotely true.' Then the scientist turns up and says the tests were 'inconclusive' and Reverend Lovejoy says 'Once again science falters before the proofs of religion.'
Anyway, in the end, the angel turns out to be a marketting gimmick to promote a new shopping centre.
And what changed your mind?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ancestor