The puzzle of the socalled "Bach variations".

So the following three hymn writers, commemorated each October 26th by the Lutheran church, are NOT the same man ?

Philip Nicolai (1556-1608),
Johann Heermann (1585-1647)
Paul Gerhardt (1607-1676).

And what makes you think commemoration of composers J.S. Bach, G.F. Handel and Heinrich Schutz each 28th July by the same Lutheran church are proof/evidence of THEM being the same man ?

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Johann Friedrich Fasch (1688-1758)
Concerto in D Minor
Second and Third Movements

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOG1R...eature=related

I hope you only lost your glasses, if not: Speedy recovery!

I was not born with glasses. And, I'm happy to say, there came a time when my sight was better and when I took them off to see things more clearly.

Regards

Robert


Johann Friedrich Fasch (1688-1758)
Concerto in D Minor
Second and Third Movements

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOG1R...eature=related

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I hope you only lost your glasses, if not: Speedy recovery!

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I am glad your eyesight improved.

Try http://www.zum.de/whkmla/region/germ...u17861807.html , if you can, to refresh your view on events during 1786-1807 leading to Bach's resurrection on Handel's expense:

Cultural History . J.C. Wöllner, appointed minister of culture and justice, attempted to combat enlightenment (Edict on Religion 1788; a restrictive Edict on Censorship 1789). Magazines regarded as promoters of the enlightenment, such as Nicolai's Allgemeine Deutsche Bibliothek were ordered to cease publication (1794). Even Immanuel Kant was obliged no longer to speak or write on religion (1794). Wöllner was dismissed by King Friedrich Wilhelm III. upon ascending to the throne (1797).
In 1789, Mozart visited Berlin, but rejected an offer to become royal court composer.
Under Friedrich Wilhelm II., Carl Gotthard Langhans constructed the Brandenburg Gate (1788-1791). Johann Gottfried Schadow sculptured the Quadriga, placed on top of the Brandenburg Gate.
Kant published Kritik der Urteilskraft (1790); Wilhelm von Humboldt wrote Versuch, die Wirksamkeit des Staates zu bestimmen, in which he suggested the State to reduce her activities to a minimum (1792); the manuscript was published only in 1851. In 1795 Kant published Zum ewigen Frieden (On Eternal Peace), criticizing the Treaty of Basel.
With Friedrich Wilhelm III., the anti-enlightenment policy introduced by his predecessor was terminated. With Friedrich Wilhelm III. living a bourgeois lifestyle and the court becoming less extravagant, the salon of Rahel Levin Varnhagen became the center of cultural life in Berlin. Henriette Herz hosted another famous salon. In 1803, Ernst Moritz Arndt published Versuch einer Geschichte der Leibeigenschaft in Pommern und Rügen (Attempt to a history of Servitude in Pomerania and Rügen), an attempt to kindle a discussion of the question of the serfs.

Ta-ta!

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I was not born with glasses. And, I'm happy to say, there came a time when my sight was better and when I took them off to see things more clearly.

Regards

Robert


Johann Friedrich Fasch (1688-1758)
Concerto in D Minor
Second and Third Movements

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOG1R...eature=related

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Nonsense !

GF Handel was buried in Westminster Abbey alongside kings and queens. Festivals of his music were main features of musical life in Germany and England for many decades. The late 18th and 19th century is full of Handel Festivals. Including major and early ones in London. The Halifax Choral Society is one of the oldest choral societies in the world (founded in 1817) and it was one of dozens of the kind founded on performing works attributed to Handel. Who enjoyed a reputation that was already immense before the revival of Bach's music.

Tell us when the first Vienna public concert of works entirely by JS Bach was given ?

a) 1720 ?

b) 1820 ?

c) 1920 ?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjRs8WvFc88

The theory of cognitive dissonance proposes that people have a motivational drive to reduce dissonance. They do this by changing their attitudes, beliefs, and actions.Dissonance is also reduced by justifying, blaming, and denying. It is one of the most influential and extensively studied theories in social psychology.

We must never justify, blame or deny anything. We must, in short, learn to assert nothing other than sheer nonsense. We must all become compliant consumers of the corporate myth. So that the 'theory of cognitive dissonance' can continue to confuse and educate the entire world and is enforced upon all of us. With us none the wiser. Right ?

As for psychology it was never a science in the first place. So much for its 'theories'. (I think the word is 'hogwash').

Josef Haydn (attributed to)
Minuet and Finale
Symphony No. 104
'London'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOqbN4XwmlM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVqsq...eature=related

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The theory of cognitive dissonance proposes that people have a motivational drive to reduce dissonance. They do this by changing their attitudes, beliefs, and actions.Dissonance is also reduced by justifying, blaming, and denying. It is one of the most influential and extensively studied theories in social psychology.

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So you don't like grapes, huh?


....the premise of the fox that covets inaccessible grapes is taken to stand for a person who attempts to hold incompatible ideas simultaneously. In that case, the disdain the fox expresses for the grapes at the conclusion to the fable serves at least to diminish the dissonance even if the behaviour in fact remains irrational.

Would you care to explain that in plain English ?

In the meantime -

Josef Haydn (attr).
Symphony No. 92
1st Movement
'Oxford'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBBW7...eature=related

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So you don't like grapes, huh?


....the premise of the fox that covets inaccessible grapes is taken to stand for a person who attempts to hold incompatible ideas simultaneously. In that case, the disdain the fox expresses for the grapes at the conclusion to the fable serves at least to diminish the dissonance even if the behaviour in fact remains irrational.

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'The secret of being tiresome is to tell everything'-Voltaire!

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Would you care to explain that in plain English ?

In the meantime -

Josef Haydn (attr).
Symphony No. 92
1st Movement
'Oxford'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBBW7...eature=related

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With respect to Monsieur Voltaire, the secret of being tiresome is to tell everything and say nothing.

Claude Debussy
Tarentelle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXpfU...eature=related

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'The secret of being tiresome is to tell everything'-Voltaire!

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With respect to Monsieur Voltaire, the secret of being tiresome is to tell everything and say nothing.

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I don't know about you but Aesop and Voltaire both are still widely read and appreciated as authors.

An author of train timetables is appreciated and widely read also.

Claude Debussy
Arabesque 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28Qi4jLtigc

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I don't know about you but Aesop and Voltaire both are still widely read and appreciated as authors.

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Yes, that's another road to success, certainly, but finish your "Mozart" first!

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An author of train timetables is appreciated and widely read also.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28Qi4jLtigc

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Thank you Yanni

Maurice Ravel
Le Tombeau de Couperin
Minuet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9qxy...eature=related

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Yes, that's another road to success, certainly, but finish your "Mozart" first!

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