Printable View
Creationism teaches separation, isolation. Each species had separate beginnings and are distinct from each other. Evolution, on the other hand, teaches unity, that we all have a common ancestor, we are all related.
The former is incredibly divisive and has led to all kinds of disregard for our environment.
Agree with you all the way. Creationism also makes out that humans are somehow "more important" than other fellow animals, while evolution makes us realise that we are really not much better/not better at all (depending from which angle you look at it).Quote:
Originally Posted by AP
Yes. In fact, Darwin's theory is a theory, not the theory. Before his, there was Lamarck's, which describes a process often believed, wrongly, to be what Darwin described - evolutionary change as a matter of organisms physically adapting to their environments by a sort of process of intergenerational learning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miss Darcy
It's perhaps worth remembering that Darwin was distressed enough - on religious grounds - by his own discovery to keep it under wraps for several decades. He was certainly not some atheist zealot. Creationists want to believe their theory and that obviously biased position is where they start from. Darwin didn't want to believe his, but was driven to it by overwhelming evidence.
[QUOTE=atiguhya padma]Creationism teaches separation, isolation. Each species had separate beginnings and are distinct from each other. Evolution, on the other hand, teaches unity, that we all have a common ancestor, we are all related.
QUOTE]
I beg to defer. We all came from the same ancestors too- Adam and Eve, remember?
AP refers to species... Does creationism suggest that all the animals came from Adam and Eve?
Sorry. I should have been clearer. I was in a rush, but that's no excuse.
What I meant was that HUMANS all came from the same common ancestors- Adam and Eve.
As to the animals? God made each of them, according to their kinds.
How do you differ from AP's suggestion then? He suggested thatand as far as I can see you are also saying that all species were created separately according to the creationist theory; humans came from one origin and other animals from different ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by AP
IMHO.......The story of Adam and Eve is, of course, only a fable, a tale used to relate the supposed seperation of humankind from their creator(s) and a convenient excuse to explain this ongoing treatment of humankind as pariah as far as the 'gods' are concerned....
.....All species, including man, have a common ancestor? Well sure!! I am naturally assuming, as an evolutionist, that you (whoever said it here first) mean the bacteria that formed in the oceans and on land, and progressed from there to form all living species on earth, these are our common roots, yes? Or are you only going back a blink in geologic time and promoting 'the missing link', the evolution of ape-like creature into homosapiens? *waits to get spanked for ASSUMING .........
Side note: Alexander Pope believed that all of life was a connected chain, and humans should be well aware of their position in that chain as a 'link', and not wish to be the masters of the domain............
I believe in evolution but not perhaps in the same way most people do. I cannot say that man evolved from ape because I personally have seen proof of that either way. I have however seen proof of animals evolving in order to adapt to their ever changing eviroment. Scientist have found those evolutions through bones and some are trying to show it through DNA. Also history shows that man too has evolve in appearance as well in order to adapt. I imagine though that both creation and evolution is true to a certain point.
Adelheid, what is it that makes you believe the Adam and Eve story?
I take it that you do not believe in the Adam and Eve story? If so then why not?Quote:
Originally Posted by blp
I take a look at this interesting and active thread from time to time.
Suddenly, tonight, I occurred to me to search for the position of Islam on the question of evolution. I have not yet found what I am looking for regarding Islam, but I did find this most interest post which tries to point out that, in the Bible, when the Red Sea is parted, it is very clearly stated that God does not say, by fiat, "let the sea be parted", after the same fashion that God says "Let there be light," but rather, God employs the instrumentality of a powerful east wind, acting during the course of an entire night. The point is that the Bible does not rule out physical process as a means for God to accomplish or fashion something, but leave open the possibility that physical and chemical processes over a long period of time will be the modality for God accomplishing the divine will.
Elsewhere, in the Bible, there is explicit mention of the role of physical elements in carrying out the divine will.
In the Psalms, there is a verse which reads, "Fire, hale, ice, snow, blasts of tempest, which perform His works" and "Praise him O sun and moon, praise Him O ye stars and lights, Praise him ye heavens of heavens, and thou waters that art above the heavens, praise the works of the Lord. For he spake and they came to be, he commanded and they were created. He established them forever, yea, forever and ever, and they shall not pass away." (I am paraphrasing from memory here, so pardon any slight inaccuracy).
I am also reminded of that striking passage in Isaiah which says (again, paraphrasing from memory), "Just as I send the rain and snow down from heaven to the earth, and it does not return to me until it has done its work, and brought about fruition, so too, I have sent forth my words (or Word), and it shall not return to me until its work is done."
http://www.rishon-rishon.com/archives/029201.php
God and Evolution
Quote:
Originally Posted by With A Powerful East Wind
http://bible.ort.org/books/torahd5.a...=21&portion=16
Quote:
Originally Posted by Exodus 14:21
Just a nitpick, but man didn't evolve from ape. Apes, Monkeys and Humans evolved from a common ancestor that was similar to all three in some manner. Thought I'd note it, since some more confused arguments pop up of "Why are there still apes around if we evolved from them" and it's more clear to just note it in this manner. Helps to picture evolution at times as a tree growing with branches and our species and the other primates come from the same trunk that eventually branched out into different spots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ancestor
heh, had to clear up what I read or it would've driven me nuts.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dyrwen
Don't you think that it may be possible we evolved from a ape species that is no longer living in the world today? I am not saying I believe the theory but I cannot say I disbelieve it either until there is more scientific proof. Look how many kinds of apes and monkeys there are in the world as we know it. They say nothing is impossible until proven without a reason of doubt.
Yeah, I do think it's possible, seeing as it is technically happening right now since the species we evolved from no longer exists, as far as we can tell.
Doubt is fine, I was just clarifying a misconstrued idea presented. To fine tune your phrases: You believe or disbelieve in concepts, but you accept or reject theories. For instance; I can believe I'm able to fly, but I can simultaneously accept the theory/law that gravity won't let me fly without a plane or neat invention. Just like you can accept that evolution is correct, but withhold your beliefs in it being completely right until further proof is given. Having your cake and eating it, too..which works quite nicely. Even I don't accept evolution as absolutely true, since there is always the chance it was wrong all along, but I still accept it and support it as best I can until something manages to prove me wrong.
Whatever works though, just adding into the discussion with what I can think of at 1am.