How's The Weather?

hot and humid

London was gloomy and rainy and windy. Back in Edinburgh now and its cloudy and a bit chilly. The joys.

It was really cold here today (well, I guess I should say yesterday - it is now 1:40 in the morning here :) ). The wind was just so incredibly chilly! I even wore the "lighter" of my two winter coats. I easily could've worn the other one, but I didn't want people to look at me as though I were crazy! :p

Rain!! Rain!!! And some more rain!! But no storm yet. Well, people thought there was, but the "lightning" they saw was my friends flash on her camera!! :lol:.

Oh look.... More rain!! :D

rain thunderstorms

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Originally Posted by Antiquarian

I just can't agree with that. I do believe in polar ice cap warming, but when politicians found out that temperatures, overall, were going down, not up, rather than admit their mistake, they "invented" this idea of "climate change" as being synonymous with "global warming." It's not. Global warming means global warming and temperatures are going down, for the most part, not up. People who said "global warming" was taking place should just be honest men and admit they were wrong.

Virgil has a post somewhere about this, saying almost the same thing. In essence, it said he believes global warming was a myth as well.

No one will convince me of it until we get our 100 F. Mays back again, and so far, the upper 80s is all we've managed this May. If they'd just admit their mistake and call it "climate change" I could accept that. Autumn here is now like summer, while spring is more like winter. But overall, the temperatures are basically the same. No extremes, just flip-flopped. The winter here was actually pretty mild, but I'm moving where there's no cold temperatures - ever. Well, not until that climate changes, too, but I'll probably die before then as it happens so slowly.

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I was always told just the opposite - global warming is real, and people with a business interest don't want to acknowledge it because it cuts into their profits...

But, where I live, it is consistently hotter than it has been in years. We haven't had snow accumulation in four years. It snowed in 2004 and that snow was the first in several years as well. For the past three years, I rarely pulled out my winter coat because it wasn't cold for enough it, whereas in the past (growing up), I have always needed my coat. Now, we have 60 degree weather in December. You can't just say that you think global warming is a myth because you went outside and you perceive the temperature to be much colder than it used to be or that weather termperatures have been recorded as much colder than in the past.

I know that Virgil does not agree with the idea of global warming (anyone who reads this board knows that) and while he is very opinionated and active on this board and I have respect for him as a person, he has not convinced me in the least that global warming is in fact a myth. The scientific community (as reported in the media) seems to think otherwise.
Me personally, I am still watching and waiting. But I am not jumping on the Virgil bandwagon. Sorry, Virgil. :)

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Originally Posted by Antiquarian

I say global warming is a myth because our temperatures consistently run fifteen to twenty degrees cooler than normal. It's not a perception on my part, but a fact that wouldn't change no matter how I perceived it. Normally, we have 90 F. by Memorial Day and this year people were wearing coats and it was in the high 60s. That's fact, not my perception. I wear a winter jacket inside the house, while my brother never wears a jacket, even at Christmas. Now that's perception, but fifteen to twenty degrees below normal is fact.

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You didn't read the rest of my sentence. I didn't say that you, Antiquarian were simply basing your statements on your perceptions. I allowed for the fact that you probably had actual records to back up your statement.

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But people believe what they believe based on many different things and who knows who is right? I don't know and I don't think anyone here really knows.

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The first sentence you wrote in your post indicates that you're pretty sure global warming is a myth, so why did you say that you don't know above? If you don't really know, why bring it up?

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I didn't jump on his bandwagon, I came in already a part of it and an exceptionally strong believer. I've never believed in "global warming." The whole world's too cool for global warming to exist.

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I didn't accuse you of jumping on Virgil's bandwagon. I just think it's interesting that you bring up global warming and refer back to Virgil's posts about it. He does have a technical background, and seems to have read a lot about it, and provides links to sources that back up his assertions. In fact, he is very opinionated on the issue, and must be thrilled to have a fellow skeptic on the boards. I responded to another post about global warming and I pretty much said that I had no scientific background and wanted to read a convincing argument one way or the other, and he put together a well-written post on the subject.

Above, you say you never believed in global warming and you think the world is too cool for global warming to exist, but also you say you don't know and that no one really knows. So, you don't really know, but you're convinced enough to post again and again on the subject. But you could be dead wrong, but then I guess you wouldn't really be wrong, since you don't really know.

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Once the scientific community discovered that global temperatures were much cooler than normal, they changed "global warming" to "climate change" rather than admit a mistake.

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Where did you read that? I was not aware that the term "global warming" had been officially replaced by "climate change." Do you have a specific article that you could link here? I am not trying to be a smartarse, I am just asking because this issue is in the news everyday. There always seems to be some global warming summit going somewhere in the world. Leaders of other countries get together to discuss what needs to be done about climate change or global warming. They're concerned enough to have meetings about it so if you're going to say that it doesn't exist (LOL) show me your source.

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In the end, it doesn't really matter and only time will tell. But personally, I'd bet all the money I have that global warming doesn't exist and never has existed.

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So, you'd bet all the money you have that global warming doesn't exist, but you don't really know? My money is more important to me than that. I am not betting on any of it.

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Originally Posted by Antiquarian

I didn't see any links at all to scientific proof/sources of global warming in your post so I didn't think it necessary to document mine. I just saw you said you didn't feel you needed a winter coat, which is a very subjective thing. I thought it was just a casual discussion in a casual thread. My mistake in assuming. Totally my mistake in assuming. Unless it's literature or something very important to me or the post of someone I know, I just skim posts due to a lack of time.

Opinions differ on every subject and always will. It's no big deal to me that they do and I certainly don't want to/won't argue over it. Sure, I'm very opinionated about global warming being a total myth as big as Bigfoot, but this isn't the place to debate it.

If someone wants to start a thread on the topic in General Conversation, I might consider contributing if I have time. I've done a lot of research and reading on the topic, and have a lot of records to back up what I, personally, believe, but as I said, my mistake in assuming it was a casual topic since you provided no scientific documentation on your part. But I'll only discuss the topic if a thread is started. I won't discuss me or any other person. I'm not under discussion.

I said I don't know for sure because I don't always believe everything I read. There was a time when I actually did believe in global warming, but the scientific community proved it wrong. So much that was "proven" right is later "proven" wrong, so while I can refer to scientific data, I personally am hesitant to say "I, myself, know." I know what I think based on data, but I think, in the long term, only God or whatever one chooses to call a higher power "knows." For example, my grandmother was "advised" by her doctor to take HRT as it was "known" to protect women against heart disease. However, recently, the medical community advised women not to take HRT as it increases the chance for heart problems and provides no protection at all beyond the first year. So, what the medical community once "knew" they proved they did not know. So, I'm very hesitant to say "I know." I'm wary of those words. I believe, and I believe based on facts, but knowing? No.

No, my money's not that important to me. I spend it and more comes in. I admit to having a very nonchalant attitude towards it, but it is my money. That's all I have to say about that and I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't mention my money any more. Thank you.

Getting back to the thread topic the weather here today was beautiful. A little cool for me, but still, warm and sunny with not a single cloud in the sky. I spent the afternoon at a lake reading and it was wonderful. Tomorrow is supposed to be even better, if possible. I hope it stays this way but warms up twenty to twenty-five degrees. At least. Then it will be even better.

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There is no need for you to get offended. I don't have any links to any documentation because I'm not asserting that this is true or false. Nor am I saying that I believe in global warming so I don't need to provide you any documentation. My point is that this topic is in the media a lot and world leaders are gathering together to discuss ways to deal with global warming, so when someone gets on the internet and says that they think global warming is a myth, I'd simply like to know why. That's all. And, you're the one that brought your money up to begin with. If you're going to put it out there, then I can respond to it. There is no need to give me attitude for responding to something that you brought up.

here the weather is wonderfull.

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Originally Posted by Antiquarian

I'm not in the slightest bit offended. Never was. LOL I do not offend easily and certainly not on the subject of the weather. It would take quite a bit more on a much, much more important topic to ever offend me.

However, I think it's offensive and disrespectful to other posters and I'd just like to forget it and stick to the topic here.

Again, back to the thread topic - It is way too cool for me this evening. If the doors and windows have to be closed, it's too cool for me. I really should move before winter. I no doubt will.

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Staying on Topic, the weather here is quite rainy and muggy. But just so we're clear on how this got started:

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Originally Posted by Antiquarian

Just like I keep saying, global warming is just a myth.

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I don't think we're offending other posters - just keepin it lively. God knows LitNet is a drag lately.

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Originally Posted by Shalot

I didn't accuse you of jumping on Virgil's bandwagon. I just think it's interesting that you bring up global warming and refer back to Virgil's posts about it. He does have a technical background, and seems to have read a lot about it, and provides links to sources that back up his assertions. In fact, he is very opinionated on the issue, and must be thrilled to have a fellow skeptic on the boards. I responded to another post about global warming and I pretty much said that I had no scientific background and wanted to read a convincing argument one way or the other, and he put together a well-written post on the subject.

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I was just coming in here to say what a lovly spring evening it was here, and whoa, I see my name. :lol: :lol: It's good to see some other skeptics around.

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Originally Posted by Antiquarian

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Once the scientific community discovered that global temperatures were much cooler than normal, they changed "global warming" to "climate change" rather than admit a mistake.

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Originally Posted by Shalot

Where did you read that? I was not aware that the term "global warming" had been officially replaced by "climate change."

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Oh that is absolutely true Shalot. The last ten years have actually been cooling, not warming, according to the climatologist that have been claiming global warming. And that's with all of India and China on this exponential growth and industrialization. It doesn't even make sense. India and China have been producing big time greehouse gases and yet we've gone into a cooling trend of ten years?

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Do you have a specific article that you could link here? I am not trying to be a smartarse, I am just asking because this issue is in the news everyday. There always seems to be some global warming summit going somewhere in the world. Leaders of other countries get together to discuss what needs to be done about climate change or global warming. They're concerned enough to have meetings about it so if you're going to say that it doesn't exist (LOL) show me your source.

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I'll have to find some sources. I've been meaning to pull a blog entry on this subject. I'll do it shortly.

Shalot, let me just pose this question: How do they measure the temperature of the earth and average it over the course of a year? And how do they know what the temperature was a hundred years ago across the whole earth and averaged for the year?

Well, I discovered the answer. They computer model it. Well, we model lots of things in engineering, especially stresses on parts so we can tell when they'll break. But it's gross estimate. The climotologists are modeling and striving to capture one degree temperature change over the course of a hundred years. Modeling isn't that accurate. You don't have all the conditions modeled in because you aren't always aware of all the inputs. For instance, sun spots can temperature irregularites. Do they model the sun spots? I doubt it. One degree in a hundred years is within the margin of error.

Finally how many times have you seen scientists in the news claim that coffee is bad for you and then claim coffee is good for you and then claim coffee is bad for you. There is nothing sacred about scientists making claims only to be proven wrong. Climatologists in the 1970s were predicting we were headed for an ice age.

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Originally Posted by Virgil

Oh that is absolutely true Shalot. The last ten years have actually been cooling, not warming, according to the climatologist that have been claiming global warming. And that's with all of India and China on this exponential growth and industrialization. It doesn't even make sense. India and China have been producing big time greehouse gases and yet we've gone into a cooling trend of ten years?

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Okay, the last 10 years have been cooling, not warming (except here, we're actually warmer, but the running joke here is that it's East Tennessee - we can have some wild temperature shifts and that's the norm here for whatever reason. But, and this has been documented, our winters are milder, our springs are earlier, it's overall warmer. Here). I wasn't asking about temperature change though. I was asking about the shift from the term "global warming" to "climate change" specifically. When did that become the new term? Just curious. I put global warming 2008 into Google, and one of the first hits I got was a web page and when you opened it up, it said (instead of global warming) Climate Change. When I left off the 2008 (this was last night) I got web pages that used the term "global warming." So, what's the deal with that?

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Finally how many times have you seen scientists in the news claim that coffee is bad for you and then claim coffee is good for you and then claim coffee is bad for you. There is nothing sacred about scientists making claims only to be proven wrong. Climatologists in the 1970s were predicting we were headed for an ice age.

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I know, I know. Everytime you turn around there is a new health data available. In the 90's, fats were bad. Eat low fat diets. Now, we have good fats and bad fats. Eggs raise your cholesterol. Don't eat eggs. Oh, but wait, eggs have protein. Eat eggs. But, then someone else comes along with another article, and qualifies those statements, and we all know now that too much fat is bad (so, yes in the 90's when fats were bad, that was technically true, but they didn't mention that those low fat foods were full of sugar and sodium) and now we know that it's those trans fats so use olive oil instead (but remember, it's still FAT). I could go on and on.

I am sure someone who is more educated about global warming, climate change, could argue the same way. I am just not able to do so because I don't know.

Global warming, climate change is constantly in the media and businesses are now marketing green products (don't leave a carbon footprint!!!) Are those products BS?

I have to go to work now which sucks, because I'd love to sit here and ramble about this. But, alas, there's that bothersome money issue.

Have a good day Antiquarian and Virgil, you global warming haters!!

Today's weather:
Hot
Humid
Torrential rainfall
Flooding
Tornado


All the perks of summer in one day. :rolleyes:

its starting to thunder and lightening here @10:00 pm in the east

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Originally Posted by pussnboots

its starting to thunder and lightening here @10:00 pm in the east

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I hope that you have a better time with it tonight than we have today. It is so bad here that cars were floating down the street!

I drove through an unbelievable storm this evening - there were reports in the city where cars were FLOATING in intersections. The flooding everywhere was insane.
It was scary, but now I'm home, where it's about 75 and humid, but calm.

Rather cold

Today was the hottest day of the year so far, I think we hit 95. I say, "bring it on." After spending three years in northern Europe, I'm ready for some heat

It's pouring koalas and sheep-dogs!
Very heavy rain all day today. A little cold, but a good excuse to stay in my room in my pj's :)

it's going to hit 100 degrees here in NY today. I think I'll fill the doggie pool so my dog can take a dip! As for me I'll stay inside where its nice and cool

Sunny here...

I'm halfway through a vacation trip to Karpathos, Greece:

31°C / 87°F, scorching sun, and not a cloud in sight :) I have spent the day snorkeling, and generally goofing off in the warm water. No earthquakes yet today, but two yesterday, and another two the day before that: Nothing heavy, though, and no damages to anything. The biggest one was 5.3 on the Richter scale, with the epicenter some 10 km away from us, but deep down below the surface.

Now for more ouzo, wine, good food and swimming.

/Claes

too hot..

A lot more pleasant than it has been these past few days. It is sunny and in the 70's. I am not fond of weather when it hits the upper 70's, but at least the humidity isn't as high. It isn't low, but you can definitely feel the difference from yesterday. After all, it is much easier to breathe!! :)

So hot -_-

not as hot as hell... really

The humidity has broken and it's actually in the high 60's this morning. Nice!

In Georgia (US). HOT. But surprisingly cloudy..

London: unbelievably sunny! Wish it could stay like this for a few months!

Typically Australian.

HOT, slight breeze, clear blue sky - all day... now its raining and its COLD now that it's night.

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There's sun! There is actually sun in Galway. I'm so very happy.

It has been really nice today but, tonight heavy rain.

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Originally Posted by sprinks

Typically Australian.

HOT, slight breeze, clear blue sky - all day... now its raining and its COLD now that it's night.

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Hot? Really? wow....things must have changed since I left!

Today it wasn't disgustingly hot,for which I am relieved.

Very, very cool outside here. In fact, I am sitting in the house with a sweater on and I am quite comfortable! :) It feels like autumn outside. I guess it will be getting very hot again in a few days. :sick: We are just having a crazy weather pattern going on right now.

Pretty bad. Too hot.

Well, it's winter here, so it's rainy and cold...but to be honest anything under 15 degrees Celsius is considered arctic weather here :)

Very nice. Still humid,but relatively cool.

We had one hell of a rain storm last night. It poured heavily for ten hours. Now the sun is splitting the trees! :eek: very odd weather!

Cloudy and a bit rainy.I was said to be lucky that while my stay in Paris it was generally sunny.

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Originally Posted by dramasnot6

Hot? Really? wow....things must have changed since I left!

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Yeah, it has a little bit :p. The weather is all over the place.... And it's getting really hot most days.... Although there was a cold wind today!! But even still, it was really hot under the sun.