all right - i can't help it. but this is really my last one.
sorry - i'm just a 31 yo housewife and i can't figure out how to quote like you guys do. :crash:
dyrwyn you said:
"That hasn't stopped quite a few Christians, who happen to believe they're real Christians, from taking it less than literally. Personally it looks more like an individual opinion based around whether or not its meant to be taken literal or not, whether the book implies its literal or figurative or not. People can and will read more into the text or take less away from it based on what they intend to get out of it."
take that up with them, friend, neither septuagint nor i have taken that position.
again dyrwyn:
"I addressed this in the post above where I asked "where is the proof evolution is false". The theory of evolution is just as sound as gravity because there is no debate in the main scientific community over whether evolution is false, just over what parts of it need to be delved into further. If you honestly think evolution is seriously in question you'd see a lot more than just American schools trying to get creationism taught alongside it, seeing as most of the world accepts it outright without question because there isn't any evidence to the contrary. The Bible is IT. The only source supposedly contradicting it and it's just literature. It isn't peer reviewed, it isn't based on fossil evidence, just that "God inspired it" and therefore its correct."
you have really been hiding in some cave if you truly believe that evolution is not debated in what you call "the main scientific community". first of all, debate this: all that fossil evidence from millions of years ago - how do they date that? carbon dating - isn't it interesting that carbon dating doesn't go back further than 50,000 years? hmmm.... it doesn't matter how sound you or anyone else thinks evolution is - ALL scientists acknowledge that it is a theory. period. now let's have no more of that, please.
dyrwyn:
I'm aware the laws passed away, though if God spoke to you like he did to Moses in Leviticus 24 then I'd be mighty paranoid that the Bible was no longer your authority on God's word, rather because God himself spoke to you a word of his own. But eh, such is life, not as though God has any authority over anything anymore since he stopped talking from the clouds and wiping out villages with a signature saying he did it. Suppose quite a few still stick by em though, which is fine by me, so long as you don't start stoning me in the streets I don't care what ya believe. Which is also why I do care whether or not the topic at hand, evolution, remains very much in teaching because it has evidence backing up and has not been refuted in any measure of the word. Until some actual evidence strikes it from the school systems I shall most certainly continue following the buckets and buckets of fossil records, radiometric dating, and theories which have been tested and proven again and again.
we don't believe God speaks anymore, ( i'm sure septuagint would concur) in fact at the end of revelation (that's the last book of the bible, fyi) He says "I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book." (rev. 22:18) if i hear voices i'm in trouble!
we don't have to disprove evolution - it has yet to be proven - the burden of proof is on those making claims of it's validity. that is science. now if i were to claim that gravity was not valid, i would have the burden to prove my position. that is why they are still seeking evidence of evolution. there's no one looking for evidence of gravity.
now, miss darcy, you said:
"I'm sorry, but I must disagree with you there. Firstly, evolution isn't a question of faith, of belief - evolution is simply something that has happened since approx. 3,850-2,500 mya (mya means million years ago - that's the Archaean Era) and is happening still. Secondly, people don't "believe" in evolution just because people tell them to, they know there is such a thing as evolution because of the facts, because of the archeological evidence. Though theories have helped us piece together this evidence to create the big picture, even without theories the facts are the same."
this statement you make is ludicrous. if you are going to talk about something as science, then talk about it scientifically. you are claiming that evolution is an absolute truth. that would mean that science should have termed it a law, yet it remains a theory.
miss darcy:
"Take away the Bible, though, and you have no reason to believe in your God."
eng 101 - this is what is called a primary source. take away any primary source and you have nothing. really...
miss darcy, you seem to think that we think science is evil and/or unnecessary. no one said that. i like science. i love my computer and i love that i got to see my baby growing inside me and i could go on and on. i think septuagint would agree with me that we are simply asking for distinction between science and science fiction.
dr. wells "icons of evolution" is not a creationist. he is strictly an evolutionist. his entire book debunks the so-called "evidence" of evolution. he says that despite the lack of evidence, he still believes evolution. and if you don't know you're adversaries, at least know your allies. septuagint was speaking of the four winged fruit fly, not the common fruit fly that is in many labs. but i'll let him answer that one if he wants to.
one last thing - this is so amsuing to me. you both assert that there would be terrible mutations if everyone descended from two people. HELLO! i agree! there are terrible mutations - look around you - look at what we have become! everyone has cancer, people die young, we only supposedly use 10% of our brains. what world are you living in? don't you think that maybe people 6 thousand years ago were much closer to perfection than we? every generation from the original is less perfect - just go make some copies :nod:
ok - i really am done here -no hard feelings - i've enjoyed this.
